Originally Posted by Daewood
(Post 1791053)
Ford's attitude towards the Indian customer is not apt considering India's potential today with a huge middle class whose income is growing at 15%/year. They think they can offer an recycled old car and fool the Indian customer. As an Indian we demand to be treated on par with the world. |
Originally Posted by Daewood
(Post 1791053)
Very valid point. When Ford launches the Fiesta hatch in India we can compare it with Polo. Comparing Figo with Polo is like comparing Estilo and i10. |
Originally Posted by poloman
(Post 1790728)
But do they have the guts to offer the European Fiesta (which is the actual competitor to Polo) in Indian market at the price points what VW is offering Polo? |
Originally Posted by Daewood
(Post 1791053)
Ford's attitude towards the Indian customer is not apt considering India's potential today with a huge middle class whose income is growing at 15%/year. They think they can offer an recycled old car and fool the Indian customer. As an Indian we demand to be treated on par with the world. When Ford launches the Fiesta hatch in India we can compare it with Polo. Comparing Figo with Polo is like comparing Estilo and i10. |
Originally Posted by finneyp
(Post 1791079)
Being addicted to a European car, I will go for VW Polo. |
Originally Posted by joshdrive
(Post 1791238)
I agree here. Figo and Polo are have marginal difference in segmentation. |
Originally Posted by rajivn
(Post 1791268)
Well, I doubt, cuz Figo will tackle the Polo. :) Well, not really (Polo fans can chill). Figo is Mass and VFM and Fiesta hatch (2011) would be Premium and VFM. What I mean is, they might load the Fiesta hatch with international specs and interiors and price it in i20 territory or marginally higher. So, for the car that it is and the features that it offers, it will be VFM. Ford has learnt its lesson well from Fusion debacle. They will know how to price the Fiesta hatch competitively. |
Originally Posted by Sawyer
(Post 1790810)
If the car is a hit in a free market, does it not mean that a lot of people like it? Is it your point that if they do, they would be all wrong to your right?! How is hoping that lots of people don't like the car make any sense to anyone other than a direct competitor?! I have no strong views about either car at this time, but since I keep coming across such posts on the forum that leave me puzzled, this post. |
Originally Posted by Daewood
(Post 1791053)
Ford's attitude towards the Indian customer is not apt considering India's potential today with a huge middle class whose income is growing at 15%/year. They think they can offer an recycled old car and fool the Indian customer. As an Indian we demand to be treated on par with the world. |
Originally Posted by kiku007
(Post 1790471)
I have driven the Figo diesel. All I can say is, people may thrash the car for being old, un-exciting looks, no rear power windows, poor A.S.S history, pink dashboard (why don't ppl understand that it's optional?) etc etc. BUT once you see the Value For Money proposition (Initial cost and Fuel Cost) all the complaints seem unjustfied to me. Common, the reasons for all the skimmping is to cut the cost and they have passed on the damn benefits to us customers. The Figo is relevant to the indian market. Period. |
Originally Posted by Daewood
(Post 1791053)
When Ford launches the Fiesta hatch in India we can compare it with Polo. |
Originally Posted by kiku007
(Post 1790775)
By that time if Polo fans are successfull in comparing the Polo to the i20, they may please compare it to the 2010 Int Fiesta:) |
Originally Posted by Daewood
(Post 1791053)
Comparing Figo with Polo is like comparing Estilo and i10. |
Originally Posted by kiku007
(Post 1790471)
Dude, even I don't like to compare both the cars. I have mentioned this in some of the other threads as well. But you know what? Can you and me stop people from comparing? People out there (Non BHPians) and BHPians here have decided to compare the cars and well that's it. Like it or not, Figo is compared to Polo and this should be giving sheepish smiles at Ford and heartburns at VW. Frankly I see that here in T-BHP itself:) |
Originally Posted by rajivn
(Post 1791268)
Well, I doubt, cuz Figo will tackle the Polo. :) Well, not really (Polo fans can chill). Figo is Mass and VFM and Fiesta hatch (2011) would be Premium and VFM. What I mean is, they might load the Fiesta hatch with international specs and interiors and price it in i20 territory or marginally higher. So, for the car that it is and the features that it offers, it will be VFM. Ford has learnt its lesson well from Fusion debacle. They will know how to price the Fiesta hatch competitively. To me, Ford has done the right thing. Take a successful platform, build an out and out VFM car and position it bang in the heart of the hatchback market. The end result, the positioning is such, Figo competes with cars right from i10s, Beats to Vistas and Swifts to Polos and Puntos. ( taken both Figo P and Figo D into consideration). To me thats brilliant. Figo looks aint flashy. Thats the only major grouse. But the mass market will definitely not mind. Not everyone wants an ultra modern car. I would let the sales numbers do the talking from here. To me, both dont appeal, Nissan Micra might turn out to be more appealing looking at those pics and features its got. I wish they launch the international spec Micra with VFM pricing and not do a VW here. |
Originally Posted by rpmx1000
(Post 1791444)
The Figo's genes are European. The Fiesta is not found in the US. It is a Ford Europe-only model. Frankly , I find all this segmenting ridiculous. The rate of growth of segments in the Indian Autocar industry is growing faster than intel brings new chips out.They are of the same size, and practicality and so will be compared. Or, if to make sense to you people, I think they should be termed as in 'overlapping segments'. Humph!. Tomorrow you will have segments because there is a 1 mm difference in length.Segmentation is pure marketing spiel than an obvious thing nowadays. |
Originally Posted by rpmx1000
(Post 1791444)
The Figo's genes are European. The Fiesta is not found in the US. It is a Ford Europe-only model. Frankly , I find all this segmenting ridiculous. The rate of growth of segments in the Indian Autocar industry is growing faster than intel brings new chips out.They are of the same size, and practicality and so will be compared. Or, if to make sense to you people, I think they should be termed as in 'overlapping segments'. Humph!. Tomorrow you will have segments because there is a 1 mm difference in length.Segmentation is pure marketing spiel than an obvious thing nowadays. |
Originally Posted by Speed Pujari
(Post 1791767)
Assuming the platform of figo is same as the oldy fusion, then i dont think it has an 'impressive' ride handling. My Boss own a Fusion+ 1.6, and I use to drive it quite often. The car pull is great in city given the fact of 100hp beneath the hood, but the handling does not compliment the power. I never get a gut feel at corner due to high GC. And the build quality- well ford is ford, I never liked the build quality of any ford car. The doors knock feels delecate and do not have even a pinch of thud. The plastic quality gives an okayish feel (well better than sx4). Overall the riding posture in the car is also quite uncomfortable. I get an urge to stretch after say every 30km during long rides. With my palio and other swift I easily drive for continuous 100+ without any break. The steering and clutch pedal is idiotically free, which looses confidence at high speeds. I prefer to stick to 100-120 range (or less) on highways. The interior of figo and fusion is cent-percent same. Also while modifying the LHD to RHD, they did a cost cutting to change the location of front bonnet lever. The bonnet lever is on the passenger side. I am not sure if they have rectified this is in figo . No 1st hand exp on Polo but I expect the car handling to be in the likes of Palios/Puntos. |
Originally Posted by Amartya
(Post 1792370)
It's a fair and valid question, appreciate it. I agree with you, that whatever the free market has in store for a product is the correct and democratic way of judging it. However, if you had read the last line of my post a little more carefully, I had mentioned that the market segment I was concerned with were the members on teambhp ("at least on teambhp..."). In my opinion we form a section of the car buying public that is more well informed and enthusiastic about cars than the average Indian customer. A case in point being the percentage of Punto's and Linea's we have amongst out midst. So, the Polo having 3 cylinder engines, in my opinion, was a retrograde step which enthusiasts should criticize. There are engineering issues with 3 cylinder engines, that just cannot be wished away. A car manufacturer will never do anything more than the market demands of it, so if the market goes gaga over the current version of the Polo, they might just introduce the Polo 1.6 a year later at a stratospheric price (with just the highest trim level). On the other hand, if the Polo gets criticized for it's power-plants, we might get the 1.6 as an option across trim levels at a more reasonable price. Coming back to the topic at hand, the Figo's dynamics are just as good as the Polo's (read GTO's reviews) and the 1.2 litre engine in it is more refined. Put that in perspective with the Polo's perfect gearbox with a ergonomic disaster of a clutch position (again Polo lovers would fail to see this), makes the Polo more of a poser's delight than an enthusiasts. I love the Polo's styling, but unfortunately that's just about it. |
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