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21st March 2010, 13:04 | #31 |
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| The Tata cars have moved from being anthropometric nightmares (With hard to reach buttons and awkward controls) to actually being comfortably usable by most (Hyundai and Honda have the best ergonomics IMHO). MSIL however has made no attempt at improving in car comfort and ergonomics; t he Ritz - is their first attempted improvement and while it's a step in the right direction, MSIL need to pull their socks up in this department. Maruti, while a car every 16 seconds is great, and no doubt you have the most widespread ASS (Unintended)...do concentrate on the finer points which are what finally make or break the deal (BTW- waited 3-4 months for the Astar, and bought an i10 Kappa the day after I experienced the Astar in flesh) |
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21st March 2010, 14:57 | #32 |
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| Note from the Team-BHP Support Staff : Abusive language – whether used directly or indirectly - is STRICTLY prohibited on Team-BHP. A decent communication protocol must be adhered to. Foul language and use of abusive words/photographs in posts/avatars/signatures/topics is STRICTLY prohibited. Last edited by Eddy : 21st March 2010 at 17:13. Reason: Note inline |
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21st March 2010, 17:05 | #33 | |
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I would say that MSIL has started taking the Indian market for granted than seriously....they have been using similar quality plastics in their line up over the years and minimal equipment as standard and standard equipments in other brands in same price range as options.. | |
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21st March 2010, 17:07 | #34 |
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| Look I am a supporter of freedom of speech and IMHO there is nothing wrong in using Swastika(Hindu,Jain, Buddhist version) but this particular symbol is not appropriate. We must remember that the ideology behind this symbol led to death of millions, and if we cannot sympathize with the Jews then at least we can sympathies with descendant of people of India who were also massacred by the very same people. |
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22nd March 2010, 01:28 | #36 |
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| Some Facts about Maruti • First in India to provide ACC in a sub 6L car. • First in India to provide Rear Fog Lamps. • First in India to provide ABS & Electric ORVM in a sub 4L car. • First company in India to mass-produce and sell more than a million cars. • Only Car Manufacturer in India to have a Driving School as a part of its Corporate Social Responsibility. • First and only car manufacturer in India to launch a Certified Used car division which is still running successfully since 2002. It still is the biggest in Organized Sector. • First Car Manufacturer in India to have a tie-up with Insurance Companies and launch its own Car Insurance. Because of this, you actually get Real Cash-less facility at any Maruti Centre across India. • First Car Manufacturer in India to associate with Motorsports and that too for all segments of the society be it women, families, motorsport enthusiasts, an amateur, professional or just for fun. • Santro & WagonR were the first and the only 2 Tall Boy designs launched, While Santro has now almost faded in the history with only 2 models under production, WagonR is still one of the best selling Hatchbacks for Maruti, with continous Improvements and changes to its design. It is still one of the largest selling Hatches even after 10 years of launch. Highly practical. • In 2001-02, Maruti's market share in Passenger cars was 59.6%, although it has reduced to 55% in 2008-09 but still Pretty Healthy considering the number of manufacturers who have opened shop in India. • It has been rated first in customer satisfaction among all car makers in India from 1999 to 2009 by JD Power Asia Pacific. None of the car Manufacturers were able to grasp this from Maruti even once in last 10 years. I would call this as a great achievement. Why did I mention the above facts. It does not mean that I am a big Maruti Fan, I have only owned 2 of their products out of the 15 currently available and 4 products being discontinued. I know Maruti's cars rattle a lot more than the competitors, they do not have good plastics, good interiors, Build Quality is low, etc. but no car manufacturer is without flaws and before we begin clobbering around any one of them, we need to have some facts cleared, The point that I wanted to raise here is that with time Maruti itself has raised the bar for all its competitors to offer better cars. Think it this way, had it not been Maruti's dominance in the Small car Segment for last 25 years, none of the other car manufacturers would have dared to bring in world class products. If you go back to history, all manufacturers came to India with Dead or Outdated models for the Mid-Size Sedan and the Luxury Segment but did anyone dared to bring an outdated model in the Small Car/Hatchback segment. We all praise Punto/Polo/Figo/i20/Jazz and compare them to Maruti Stable, but look at the bigger picture, you still compare them to Maruti Swift. That is already a benchmark. You take any new small car being launched in India, the first comparison of it is always done with the Maruti Stable. Hyundai has the second largest service Network in India after Maruti, but it still sells far lower cars than Maruti, It has only 3 Models in the Hatchback category with Santro's production being reduced drastically whereas Maruti has 6 Models, all of them with strong sales. Strong Sales cannot come until the product is well established and accepted by the Public. People say that Maruti is gimmicky in launching a lot of Limited Editions, but atleast they are lot better than Ford who launches a Limited Edition each month and Hyundai who do not upgrade their cars at all or very minimal, • Santro only got upgraded last in 2003, post that still running the same, only recently did it get Beige Interiors. • Accent - same car since launch, only 1 update in 2004 with Beige Interiors and changed Front and Rear Lamps. • i10 launched in 2007, still overpriced after 3 years with no upgrade at all. Atleast Maruti dared to stop production of some of its best cars aka Esteem, Baleno, Zen and launch new products. I agree to this fact that unlike its other Japanese Counterparts like Honda/Toyota or other Global Manufacturers, Suzuki is a lot behind in terms of bringing new technology and they really need to pull up their socks in this regards, but we must consider this fact that unlike others, Suzuki never really tried to pester out of the small and highly fuel efficient cars (KEI cars). All I want to say at the end is we should just not clobber around someone just for the sake of it, but as sensible Petrol Heads, think and discuss logically. P.S. Apologies in case I hurt the sentiments of anyone or sounded rude anywhere above, these are just my thoughts about Maruti in India. Any of the facts/figures mentioned above are either taken from Maruti's website/wikipedia. Last edited by shantanumishra : 22nd March 2010 at 01:29. |
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22nd March 2010, 02:14 | #37 |
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| SM, nice piece of information there. Appreciate your research.
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| I do not want to bash up Hyundai or for that matter any other car manufacturer. Just wanted to share my feelings on Maruti in India, Nevertheless, here is my take. I hope this discussion remains as healthy as before. Quote:
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Polo/Figo are compared more to Swift rather than to i20, it is rather Jazz which is compared more to i20. Quote:
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Also, Maruti was also the first Indian Manufacturer to offer EPS on all its cars since 2001, i10 is probably the first Hyundai with EPS. Further, Maruti was also perhaps the first to offer Automatic Transmission in 1996 with its Esteem in India, It also pioneered in providing specialised disabled friendly cars. Quote:
I bought my i10 Era model for about 3.85L in May 2009 but my WagonR VXi costed only 3.7L in Dec 2006, the trim level in WagonR seems to be better than i10 Era. Also, incase somebody wants to buy an i10 with ABS+Airbag, he will have to shell out 4,91,512 Ex-showroom (base version of Asta with ABS only) whereas an ABS+Airbag WagonR is just 3,96,327 Ex-showroom Delhi, A difference of about 95K which in my opinion clearly indicates i10 to be overpriced. Agreed that the trim level of an Asta might be more than WagonR, but here I am talking only in context of ABS+Airbag. Even if you take out all Bells and Whistles and opt for the lowest model of i10/WagonR, i10 is about 20K expensive. Quote:
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It was launched more as a competitor to Baleno/Ford Ikon 1.6, However, it failed to excite because of the suspension and handling characteristics of the Accent. BTW, few things to cheer you up Hyundai was the first Indian manufacture to offer ABS at less than 7L with Tornado and VIVA which was also incidently India's first stylish notchback car under 7L. It was also the first Indian car company to have DOHC engines. I again clear up that this is not a Hyundai basher but it just highlights some differences between the first and second largest car sellers in India. | |||||||||
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Buddy, you know I've this habit of taking into account i10 1.2 Magna when I talk of i10 and this makes me forget the 1.1 Era and Dlite (is this still available?). 20k seems okay if you're going for a Hyundai. Dlite in 3.42L ex-showroom Delhi. Moreover, i10's top end trims are insanely prices considering i20 from the same stable and the competition as well. Quote:
Moreover, you forgot another major point about the WagonR. The first small car to have Electrically Adjustible ORVM's. Funny that the Swift, Ritz and A-Star lack this and are more expensive than WagonR. Whosoever may be the No.1, we only care of how well they pamper us as in the end, it's our hard-earned money. | ||||||||||||
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I have always felt more comfortable and fun driving the WagonR instead of i10 Era just because of its bland engine, although WagonR's gear shift is cumbersome. with WagonR LX, you get iCATS in 20K less price. 100% agreed, BTW, lets wait for the new Improved WagonR, lets see how the story unfolds, | |||||
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22nd March 2010, 20:19 | #41 |
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The Swift I had made it impossible to get into 5th Gear and cruise for long. Moreover, it was difficult to hold the car in 4th gear and a downshift was required on the same routes on which I drive the Santro. The suspension was poor and the car rattled a lot, these were some issues which forced us to dispose off the Swift. Shantanu, I was offered the i10 deal but I didn't buy. Moreover, this offer was open to all and not especially to me. | |
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23rd March 2010, 08:38 | #43 | |
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| Maruti: Story of Change! Quote:
Maruti had been sleeping up to the late nineties. But since then with the markets opening up, the all Manufacturers has had a level playing ground. With competition eating away about 30% of the market share it was time for Maruti to wake up. For a PSU thriving in a protected economy this change would have been painstaking. Maruti Story since 2000 is about making this change happen. The figures posted earlier in the thread is ample proof that Maruti was successful in doing the same. Kudos to Maruti for that. In value proposition probably Maruti Products are ahead of competition. But still the customer in me wants more: -improved quality levels: tighter panel gaps, plastics. -better looking cars: better interiors -And if its not asking for too much :A diesel Grand Vitara for <10 lakh. | |
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23rd March 2010, 11:17 | #44 |
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| @shantanumishra - i would just like to mention something about the feeling that i10 is overpriced. Most of the people never go for the version with ABS and AIRBAGS. I had booked a wagon-r before a few months. It was VXI and the on road price( with discounts and some additional features+i10 sportz) around 4.05-4.10 lakhs. In the mean time, the offer we got for i10 sportz was around 4.30 lakhs. I would never mind to spend the extra 20 k for the i10 for its tougher build, better interiors with excellent quality, ability for seating 3 people in better comfort and better stability at speeds ( not about speeds above 120 n all). The asta is definitely overpriced, but people go mainly for sportz and magna ( or even era) trims, so while comparing with the general trim levels that go on sale, i feel i10 cannot be termed as an overpriced product! these are just my personal opinions and this is not to hurt or provoke anyone! :-) thank you |
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23rd March 2010, 18:51 | #45 |
Distinguished - BHPian | Maruthi has crossed the 'One Million Car per year' mark today with launch it seems. Saw an article in TOI online. Please check the TOI link for detailed news : Maruti Suzuki rolls out first millionth car in a year - India Business - Biz - The Times of India |
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