BMW 316D / 320D Efficient Dynamics Editions coming to India?

sidindica · 18th June 2010, 17:42

Just looking at BMW India website and found out specs about 316D/320D efficient dynamics edition.

Hope its just an error or is it that such variants have been launched?

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Note : These posts have been split into its own thread from their original place in This thread

FlyingSpur · 18th June 2010, 17:47

There was a thread somewhere about a 186bhp 320d being introduced by BMW India. Could it be this "Efficient Dynamics" edition? Further, if there's actually a 316d, then I think BMW is going all out for a bloodbath. Must be around 24-25L OTR, since 320d is 28L (Mumbai prices).

NOT FAIR......... I want efficient dynamics too !!

EDIT : This looks like a detuned version of the same engine eg. 525d v/s 530d. A 0-100 in 10.9 and a top speed of "only" 202 might sound a little pedestrian, but think of what this could mean to the taxi fleet buyers in terms of FE and running costs. I guess since the CE's no longer the fleet model and has been countered with the Merc C220 EE, BMW has dug deeper to get this one out. Now what?

Sahil · 18th June 2010, 17:55

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Originally Posted by flyingspur

NOT FAIR......... I want efficient dynamics too !!

Common issue with BMW owners, you are infected by the upgrade BUG in no time! BMW gives you JOY when you buy the product but soon after they keep uping the JOY factor.
What you feel right now is exactly what I felt when the 530d was launched at a mere 70k more than my 525d, that too within in year !

BMW is a very active player and they keep upgrading almost every quater, however minor or major it might be. Its good for new customers, but a pain for existing ones

Mpower · 18th June 2010, 18:04

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Originally Posted by sidindica

Just looking at BMW India website and found out specs about 316D/320D efficient dynamics edition.

Hope its just an error or is it that such variants have been launched?

Another huge error. FE numbers are in L/100km but written as kpl.

The whole idea of showing off the Efficient Dynamics technology on your website is lost when you show 4 kpl !

FlyingSpur · 18th June 2010, 18:14

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Originally Posted by Sahil

What you feel right now is exactly what I felt when the 530d was launched at a mere 70k more than my 525d, that too within in year !

Naah, I'm cool with it. Made my peace with it already.

But WHOA. The difference was only 70k ? Now THAT I would not have liked.

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Originally Posted by Mpower

FE numbers are in L/100km but written as kpl.

The whole idea of showing off the Efficient Dynamics technology on your website is lost when you show 4 kpl !

Yeah that's hilarious. I'm guessing in real world (Mumbai) conditions it's going to give nowhere close to 20 kmpl (4 lt / 100 km) but considering that my car is capable of returning a very real 9.5-10 kmpl in the city, I'm sure the 316d is going to better it. Or maybe the car is too heavy for a detuned motor to handle. Or wait, wasn't the pre-LCI 320d (non-Highline) also tuned at 156bhp?

Rehaan · 18th June 2010, 19:28

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Originally Posted by Mpower

Another huge error. FE numbers are in L/100km but written as kpl.

Good catch

The cars can switch between kmpl and L/100km pretty well - too bad the website can't.

cya
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S350L-E240 · 18th June 2010, 19:46

Coming to the 316d/320d ED and upgrade on the 2.0D engine can someone confirm this? Also if it's true whats the cost of 316d? Anything below 20L Ex-showroom would kill cars like Jetta etc.

Regards,

FlyingSpur · 18th June 2010, 20:05

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Originally Posted by S350L-E240

Anything below 20L Ex-showroom would kill cars like Jetta etc.

How? If anything, if would more realistically further affect the Superb / Passat / Accord. The range-topping Jetta / Laura just barely manage to cross 20L on-road !!

suhaas307 · 18th June 2010, 20:17

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Originally Posted by flyingspur

How? If anything, if would more realistically further affect the Superb / Passat / Accord. The range-topping Jetta / Laura just barely manage to cross 20L on-road !!

He may be right.

People in the market for a Superb/Passat/Accord/Jetta might be ready to shell out a little extra for the BMW badge and the added snob value that comes with it. It would be a good move to enter the lower D-segment arena IMO.

S350L-E240 · 18th June 2010, 20:27

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Originally Posted by flyingspur

How? If anything, if would more realistically further affect the Superb / Passat / Accord. The range-topping Jetta / Laura just barely manage to cross 20L on-road !!

Well I believe If I were in a market for Superb / Passat / Accord, I'm looking at leg space, comfort etc. which the 3 does not provide and considering the Jetta pretty much gets close to 20L on the road, I think that is the segment where people might consider going higher by a few lacs in terms of brand value.

This is my opinion. I mean if i am in the market for Superb or Accord, I would not look at 3/C/A4 etc.

Also I've said it before if by pulling a few strings here and there if BMW / MB can launch models at something like 19.99L Ex-Showroom it will create a whole new segment of buyers rushing to the dealers.

FlyingSpur · 18th June 2010, 20:32

Maybe. But then BMW is also dribbling dangerously close to devaluing the brand. As it is, Mercedes still has a bit of an edge over Bee Em when it comes to brand recall in India. Anyway, always good for the customer

Hope to see a lot of 316d's on the forum !!

S350L-E240 · 18th June 2010, 20:48

I truly don't think brand values will go down considering considering the image people have of these brands has always been high. BMW and Mercedes-Benz I think go hand in hand, for some BMW is the new thing / Sporty / Youthful and for some Mercedes-Benz is the status symbol / Luxury etc. so both have their own shares of different clients with various reasons based on their personal perception for both.

But coming back on topic are those new variants really launched? the 316d and 320d ED? Any idea on prices? I still don't see the point of having so many diesel variants?

Ricky_63 · 18th June 2010, 22:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by flyingspur

Maybe. But then BMW is also dribbling dangerously close to devaluing the brand. As it is, Mercedes still has a bit of an edge over Bee Em when it comes to brand recall in India. Anyway, always good for the customer

Hope to see a lot of 316d's on the forum !!

I beg to differ. The BMW "brand" has grown phenomenally over the past year or more. The only downside being the runflats....

Actually I have been contemplating buying a 320d CE & run it on tubeless tyres with a stepney. How often do I have luggage in my boot - next to never. when I do - I use the Pajero. This is a dream for me - to own all the 3 BIG German Marquees

Dreams- if wishes were horses - beggers would ride !!!

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Originally Posted by S350L-E240

I truly don't think brand values will go down considering considering the image people have of these brands has always been high. BMW and Mercedes-Benz I think go hand in hand, for some BMW is the new thing / Sporty / Youthful and for some Mercedes-Benz is the status symbol / Luxury etc. so both have their own shares of different clients with various reasons based on their personal perception for both.

But coming back on topic are those new variants really launched? the 316d and 320d ED? Any idea on prices? I still don't see the point of having so many diesel variants?

Why leave out Audi from the comparison ? They have been increasing their share over the past year & rightly so.

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Cheeers

S350L-E240 · 18th June 2010, 23:50

I agree AUDI has been rising, but I think it's more of a rising star and not a brand which was always known or aspired to in India or by the majority of Indians, I also believe they gained a lot of ground only with Q7 and A4 with the LED's? (Correct me if I am wrong)

I know 2 people who choose the A4 over the 3/C and when I asked why? The answer given was "LED" Not saying their other cars are not nice but I seriously think BMW and Mercedes-Benz offer superior products with far better dealers to deal with.

Believe me you need to walk into 'Parsoli Motors, Ahmedabad' they are the dealers for BMW and the experience you get from them is second to none. The owner, The GM are all people who not only will make you feel at home but ensure you are satisfied before you give them the check. First time in my life I experienced when I was willing to give an advance check to them, I was refused saying why don't you let all the variants come in and then choose from the one you find better for your requirements?

FlyingSpur · 18th June 2010, 23:56

No less than six of my friends asked me why we didn't pick the Audi. It is surely gaining acceptance and mileage as a luxury brand, and heck, most people do love the looks of the LED'd A4 more than the C/3.

18th June 2010, 17:42	#1
sidindica Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Delhi Posts: 4,892 Thanked: 8,116 Times	BMW 316D / 320D Efficient Dynamics Editions coming to India? Just looking at BMW India website and found out specs about 316D/320D efficient dynamics edition. Hope its just an error or is it that such variants have been launched? Note : These posts have been split into its own thread from their original place in This thread Last edited by Rehaan : 24th June 2010 at 11:24. Reason: Link to original thread.
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18th June 2010, 17:47	#2
FlyingSpur Senior - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 3,934 Thanked: 1,422 Times View My Garage	There was a thread somewhere about a 186bhp 320d being introduced by BMW India. Could it be this "Efficient Dynamics" edition? Further, if there's actually a 316d, then I think BMW is going all out for a bloodbath. Must be around 24-25L OTR, since 320d is 28L (Mumbai prices). NOT FAIR......... I want efficient dynamics too !! EDIT : This looks like a detuned version of the same engine eg. 525d v/s 530d. A 0-100 in 10.9 and a top speed of "only" 202 might sound a little pedestrian, but think of what this could mean to the taxi fleet buyers in terms of FE and running costs. I guess since the CE's no longer the fleet model and has been countered with the Merc C220 EE, BMW has dug deeper to get this one out. Now what? Last edited by FlyingSpur : 18th June 2010 at 17:56.
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18th June 2010, 19:46	#7
S350L-E240 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: India Posts: 1,416 Thanked: 393 Times	Coming to the 316d/320d ED and upgrade on the 2.0D engine can someone confirm this? Also if it's true whats the cost of 316d? Anything below 20L Ex-showroom would kill cars like Jetta etc. Regards, Last edited by Rehaan : 24th June 2010 at 11:21. Reason: Splitting post between two threads.
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18th June 2010, 20:32	#11
FlyingSpur Senior - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 3,934 Thanked: 1,422 Times View My Garage	Maybe. But then BMW is also dribbling dangerously close to devaluing the brand. As it is, Mercedes still has a bit of an edge over Bee Em when it comes to brand recall in India. Anyway, always good for the customer Hope to see a lot of 316d's on the forum !!
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18th June 2010, 20:48	#12
S350L-E240 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: India Posts: 1,416 Thanked: 393 Times	I truly don't think brand values will go down considering considering the image people have of these brands has always been high. BMW and Mercedes-Benz I think go hand in hand, for some BMW is the new thing / Sporty / Youthful and for some Mercedes-Benz is the status symbol / Luxury etc. so both have their own shares of different clients with various reasons based on their personal perception for both. But coming back on topic are those new variants really launched? the 316d and 320d ED? Any idea on prices? I still don't see the point of having so many diesel variants?
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18th June 2010, 23:50	#14
S350L-E240 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: India Posts: 1,416 Thanked: 393 Times	I agree AUDI has been rising, but I think it's more of a rising star and not a brand which was always known or aspired to in India or by the majority of Indians, I also believe they gained a lot of ground only with Q7 and A4 with the LED's? (Correct me if I am wrong) I know 2 people who choose the A4 over the 3/C and when I asked why? The answer given was "LED" Not saying their other cars are not nice but I seriously think BMW and Mercedes-Benz offer superior products with far better dealers to deal with. Believe me you need to walk into 'Parsoli Motors, Ahmedabad' they are the dealers for BMW and the experience you get from them is second to none. The owner, The GM are all people who not only will make you feel at home but ensure you are satisfied before you give them the check. First time in my life I experienced when I was willing to give an advance check to them, I was refused saying why don't you let all the variants come in and then choose from the one you find better for your requirements?
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18th June 2010, 23:56	#15
FlyingSpur Senior - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 3,934 Thanked: 1,422 Times View My Garage	No less than six of my friends asked me why we didn't pick the Audi. It is surely gaining acceptance and mileage as a luxury brand, and heck, most people do love the looks of the LED'd A4 more than the C/3. Last edited by Rehaan : 24th June 2010 at 11:21.
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