Indica DICOR

zulfikar · 12th April 2006, 14:46

that is true...
i have noticed them on cabs only...

extreme_torque · 12th April 2006, 15:09

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Originally Posted by tsk1979

Most of them are taxi's frequently overloaded and never sent for alignment.

Understandable.... But my question is why only indica... why not any other car... is it due to the independent rear suspension that indica has???
And if its so prone to falter why doesnt TATA make it more robust?

tsk1979 · 12th April 2006, 15:27

How may other "hatchback" taxis have you seen. Its a small car, and it will be as robust as the other small cars. Infact is more robust than the competition if you leave out the rattels etc., In this segment the only car which can handle this kind of abuse is the Palio. Cannot compare with the MuV.
Infact more than this problem you will see indicas with the rear suspension sitting down. This is due to overloading 2x of the prescribed load.

extreme_torque · 12th April 2006, 15:58

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Originally Posted by tsk1979

How may other "hatchback" taxis have you seen. Its a small car, and it will be as robust as the other small cars. Infact is more robust than the competition if you leave out the rattels etc., In this segment the only car which can handle this kind of abuse is the Palio. Cannot compare with the MuV.
Infact more than this problem you will see indicas with the rear suspension sitting down. This is due to overloading 2x of the prescribed load.

well negetive camber angle is present on private indica's also (not just taxi's).... never seen it on a Palio. Is it due to the independent suspension?

pradkumar · 12th April 2006, 16:07

I have had negative camber in my Baleno LXi just 6 months old. I have had a terrible argument with Millenium Mobility. They refused to rectify it since the screws need to be cut (a lathe job). Finally, got it done at an MRF authorized tyre centre.
Negative camber on the front tyres is terrible since when it is loaded with people, it pushes the wheel bottom further outwards increasing tyre wear. Millenium guys had the cheek to tell me that negative camber upto -1 is OK by Maruti standards.

Regards,

Pradeep

garvit2002 · 12th April 2006, 16:19

this is what we will define as performance in the future

Manas · 22nd August 2006, 22:08

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Originally Posted by pradkumar

Negative camber on the front tyres is terrible since when it is loaded with people, it pushes the wheel bottom further outwards increasing tyre wear. Millenium guys had the cheek to tell me that negative camber upto -1 is OK by Maruti standards.

Hey... is that minus one DEGREE ?? or minute ?
'coz if it's a DEGREE, believe me, the person is takin u for a ride .. That's WAY too much of negative camber ..
Ideally, Camber shud always be on the positive side .. So that, when Loaded, the tyre contact patch is ideal..
As for camber problems in Indica, i have a hypothesis of my own .. u guys tell me if it's right ..
In Indica's independent rear susp, the semi trailin arm is unsupported by any axle (live or dead) .. and whatever semi trailing arm susps i've read about (be it Z3 or VWs) were ALWAYS with an axle .. As against in front, // e.g. the VW Beetle had a similar semi trailin arm in the front with an axle (??) // the rear Left and Right assemblies are free to buckle-in due to overloading...

dileepd11 · 11th December 2006, 17:21

Any one has any idea when the dicor indica will be released?

I have been waiting for it for the last 1 year. No sign of it yet.

extreme_torque · 11th December 2006, 18:25

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Originally Posted by Manas

Hey... is that minus one DEGREE ?? or minute ?
'coz if it's a DEGREE, believe me, the person is takin u for a ride .. That's WAY too much of negative camber ..
Ideally, Camber shud always be on the positive side .. So that, when Loaded, the tyre contact patch is ideal..
As for camber problems in Indica, i have a hypothesis of my own .. u guys tell me if it's right ..
In Indica's independent rear susp, the semi trailin arm is unsupported by any axle (live or dead) .. and whatever semi trailing arm susps i've read about (be it Z3 or VWs) were ALWAYS with an axle .. As against in front, // e.g. the VW Beetle had a similar semi trailin arm in the front with an axle (??) // the rear Left and Right assemblies are free to buckle-in due to overloading...

Makes sense.... and it needs to be addressed by TATA. I wonder nobody ever talked about it being a problem with Indica coz whenever i see one on the road ( and trust me i see a lot of them on road with negetive camber) it looks horrible, looks as if suspension has given in due to weight.

tsk1979 · 11th December 2006, 19:47

Note from mod: Do not deviate from the topic
Negative camber discussions can be done in a separate thread.

Zappo · 12th December 2006, 00:16

Just a curious observation... I have a feeling that the Indica Dicor page on the Tata website is just a test page. This is why... When they launch the car the realated site wears a real macho looks. Check out for any of their models. In comparison this one looks like someone was just learning HTML and created the page. Even the spec page (through the link) is as horrendous (ok, more horrendous actually). And pray what is the old design Indica doing in the 3rd pic? I do not think they make that look anymore except for in the white color for the taxi trade.

12th April 2006, 14:46	#16
zulfikar BHPian Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Hyderabad Posts: 532 Thanked: 18 Times View My Garage	that is true... i have noticed them on cabs only...
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12th April 2006, 15:27	#18
tsk1979 Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 23,717 Thanked: 22,825 Times View My Garage	How may other "hatchback" taxis have you seen. Its a small car, and it will be as robust as the other small cars. Infact is more robust than the competition if you leave out the rattels etc., In this segment the only car which can handle this kind of abuse is the Palio. Cannot compare with the MuV. Infact more than this problem you will see indicas with the rear suspension sitting down. This is due to overloading 2x of the prescribed load.
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12th April 2006, 16:07	#20
pradkumar BHPian Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Pune Posts: 322 Thanked: 175 Times	I have had negative camber in my Baleno LXi just 6 months old. I have had a terrible argument with Millenium Mobility. They refused to rectify it since the screws need to be cut (a lathe job). Finally, got it done at an MRF authorized tyre centre. Negative camber on the front tyres is terrible since when it is loaded with people, it pushes the wheel bottom further outwards increasing tyre wear. Millenium guys had the cheek to tell me that negative camber upto -1 is OK by Maruti standards. Regards, Pradeep Last edited by pradkumar : 12th April 2006 at 16:12.
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12th April 2006, 16:19	#21
garvit2002 BHPian Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Jaipur Posts: 241 Thanked: 2 Times	this is what we will define as performance in the future
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11th December 2006, 17:21	#23
dileepd11 BHPian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Trivandrum Posts: 26 Thanked: 0 Times	Any one has any idea when the dicor indica will be released? I have been waiting for it for the last 1 year. No sign of it yet.
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tsk1979 Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 23,717 Thanked: 22,825 Times View My Garage	Note from mod: Do not deviate from the topic Negative camber discussions can be done in a separate thread.
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12th December 2006, 00:16	#26
Zappo Team-BHP Support Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Hyderabad Posts: 5,922 Thanked: 2,699 Times	Just a curious observation... I have a feeling that the Indica Dicor page on the Tata website is just a test page. This is why... When they launch the car the realated site wears a real macho looks. Check out for any of their models. In comparison this one looks like someone was just learning HTML and created the page. Even the spec page (through the link) is as horrendous (ok, more horrendous actually). And pray what is the old design Indica doing in the 3rd pic? I do not think they make that look anymore except for in the white color for the taxi trade.
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