[GTO]

Originally Posted by swiftnfurious

Read on Polo TSi thread that turbo + direct injection is a solution to turbo lag

Turbo + direct-injection can result in diesel-like torque (e.g. Laura / Octavia 1.8 TSI).

However, bolt a big turbo onto a small engine and you're still looking at lag. Example: EcoSport's 1.0L Ecoboost.

Originally Posted by sandeepmohan

The T Jet is a direct injection turbo and there is turbo lag.

Nope, the Linea T-Jet is NOT a direct-injection petrol. I'd confirmed this with Fiat at the time of writing my T-Jet Review.

Originally Posted by devarshi84

Fiat's T-jet, VW's TSI and Ford's ECOboost engines are already on sale in India

Yes. But you forget that the Honda City 1.5 N/A (116 BHP) makes more power than the T-Jet (113 BHP) and only 5 horses less than the Jetta 1.4 TSI (121 BHP). Few touch Honda in getting the max horses out of a given engine capacity.

Another example: The Polo TSI' output is 87 BHP / Liter. The City's 1.5L (without DI / forced induction) is 77 BHP / Liter. Imagine what the addition of direct-injection & turbo can do to a Honda 1.5.

[Hayek]

Originally Posted by GTO

But you forget that the Honda City 1.5 N/A (116 BHP) makes more power than the T-Jet (113 BHP) and only 5 horses less than the Jetta 1.4 TSI (121 BHP). Few touch Honda in getting the max horses out of a given engine capacity. Another example: The Polo TSI' output is 87 BHP / Liter. The City's 1.5L (without DI / forced induction) is 77 BHP / Liter. Imagine what the addition of direct-injection & turbo can do to a Honda 1.5.

About time Honda got back into making real drivers cars. Hopefully, they maintain their traditional reliability while at it. However, these engines need to be paired with modern transmissions - the City's power advantage over the Vento as also the Accord's over the Superb is destroyed by the old school auto boxes they are paired with.

A 2l, 280 BHP Acura in India in 2016. Could well be my next car.

[1100D]

But what Honda Must do, is to amalgamate a Sedan to these new powertrains, placed longitudinally to drive the rear wheels.

I admit, that traditionally Honda has stuck to the front-wheel-drive layout (apart from the exceptional NSX) but in that perspective, they had also restricted themselves to Petrol and Normally Aspirated engines (no Turbo for Honda!). Now with those restrictions gone, probably they can revive a few nameplates and power them by the rear axle.

[myavu]

Kudos to Honda. Now we need to wait for few in our own hood to experience the sheer refinement and power.

All these turbo additions are boiling down to one thing - 1.6 turbo F1 engine from Honda.

Cheers!

[Santoshbhat]

Sounds delicious!

Finally Honda wakes up. The petrol engine experts needed to be pushed to the brink here in India to introduce diesel powered cars. But I just cannot understand what was stopping them from modernising their once class topping petrol motors? Well, better late than never.

[sandeepmohan]

Originally Posted by GTO

Nope, the Linea T-Jet is NOT a direct-injection petrol. I'd confirmed this with Fiat at the time of writing my T-Jet Review.

Like I said, I asked them the same on their facebook page and they confirmed direct injection. Fiat India have given us two different answers. Sure looks like they are clueless about what they are selling.

[TNiranjanT]

Fantastic news! Seems like the Honda F1 engine development programs is having its influences within the mass market R&D program. This is only promising for us auto buffs as Ferrari and Mercedes are also developing their own 1.6 Litre TCd engines.

Who knows maybe we see a souped up Giulietta from Alfa Romeo? To rival the already souped of A45 AMG?

Good times

[justin.das]

Originally Posted by sandeepmohan

Like I said, I asked them the same on their facebook page and they confirmed direct injection. Fiat India have given us two different answers. Sure looks like they are clueless about what they are selling.

Those who are handling the facebook page may not be that much knowledgeable .In my experience with service centers and the sale guys i am pretty much sure that the guys who works at mechanical department knows much better than the more educated sales and company personals. T-Jet engine is pretty old it will be better to compare the new Honda turbo engine's with

Fiat 1.4 MultiAir Turbo : 170 PS (125 kW; 168 hp) and 250 N·m (180 lb·ft), consumes 6.0 L/100 km
VW TSI : 138bhp @ 4500-600rpm, 185lb ft @ 1500-3500rpm
Ford Eco Boost 1.5 : 178 hp at 6,000 rpm and 177 lb-ft of torque at 1,500-4,500 rpm
FIAT/Alfa Romeo 1.8 Turbo : 237 BHP @ 6000 RPM, 320 Nm @ 2100-3750 RPM
Ford Eco Boost 2.0 :275 hp (205 kW; 279 PS) and 280 lb·ft (380 N·m)

[Chethan B G]

Excellent news!

Any engine which has a Turbo, driven by exhaust gas, will have lag. Light turbine reduces lag & Heaver turbine improves top-end performance - It is always a trade-off. In smaller engines, the lag is felt all the more, since power developed pre-boost is very minimal. Super chargers using engine power / battery power to drive turbo, can eliminate lag. No point in complaining - High time we learn to live with it!

I hope Honda develops a fool-proof turbo cooling mechanism, so that technology becomes affordable to us "aam-aadmi's".

Honda cars have always been good handlers. Stiffer suspension and increased GC will help. With the kind of power on tap, all wheel disk breaks become an absolute necessity.

Considering skimmed up weight of Honda cars and the turbo-charged engines, power/weight ratios of most European / american cars look puny.

Honda cars are once again destined to become road rockets!

[Tats07]

In my humble view, I doubt that Honda will bring these turbo petrols to India any time soon. They know they will anyway sell the City better than most C-segment sedans, even Verna. At this point, they do not seem to have a business case for bringing in Civic, leave aside Type R. And AFAIK, the turbo iVTEC is currently planned only for Type R. So a turbo City, turbo Civic (not Type R) or a turbo Brio/Amaze, if at all planned, is long way off. Honda will not be inspired by the sales figures of the currently available petrol turbos in India.

I'm of course hoping that I'll be proved wrong!

[Kappa]

Hello!
Is that an intercooler in the petrol engine?

[sarathlal]

Honda has issued press release today that it will begin production of the new VTEC® Turbo engines later this year at Honda's Anna, Ohio, engine plant.

Honda is investing $340 million at the Anna Engine Plant to produce the VTEC® Turbo 4-cylinder engines using domestic and globally sourced parts.

Source: Honda

[sarathlal]

Here is a teaser video of the 2.0 L engine that's gonna power the Type R:

http://world.honda.com/CIVIC/video/V...RBO/index.html

[RavenAvi]

Some new details of the currently developed 1.0L i-VTEC Turbo & the 1.5L i-VTEC Turbo have surfaced.

Slated to power the 10th-gen Honda Civic in Europe from early 2017 onwards, these engines will be a part of Honda's Earth Dreams lineup and will boast of excellent performance while proving to be extremely frugal in terms of fuel efficiency.

The 1.0L, 3-cylinder, turbocharged i-VTEC unit mated to a 6-speed transmission puts out 127 PS of power and 200 Nm of torque, while posting a healthy 23 kilometers to the liter. (according to Autocar UK who tested the prototype of the Civic's base model)

Expect the 1.5L, 4-cylinder turbocharged i-VTEC to put out a healthy 150-160 PS of power and around 250-260 Nm of torque.

Based on an all-new engine structure and newly developed turbochargers, these engines are expected to include direct injection technology as well, and will be mated to 8-speed dual-clutch transmissions (replacing the current 5-speed automatic).

[crisscross]

Honda Fit / Jazz and City Getting 1.0 Turbo Three-Cylinder Engine by 2017

Honda of Brazil has revealed plans to start selling a flex-fuel version of the latest 1-liter turbocharged version the company is currently developing. It will be available in late 2016 or early 2017 on the Fit subcompact hatchback and its City sedan cousin.

Of course, if Brazil has time to take a new engine and make it run on ethanol by early 2017, Japan should have it even sooner. But we're not here to place bets.

Honda's decision to launch a downsized engine in Brazil seems justified. Volkswagen and Ford are making headlines with their three-banger turbocharged units. There is also a possibility that the tiny VTEC turbo will be offered on the HR-V crossover too.

The three-cylinder engine will come with a new type of turbocharger, with a low moment of inertia and high responsiveness, and direct injection technology to achieve a good balance between high output and torque. Crucially, it gives Honda that cutting-edge persona it's been lacking in recent years.

According to UOL, the 1-liter pushes out around 130 horsepower, the same output as the 1.6-liter i-DTEC. That means it could replace the old 1.4-liter 16V and even the 1.8 used by the HR-V. Honda US has no plans to downsize the Fit, but considering it has done it to the Civic, that might happen eventually.

The Civic makers have been busy, little working bees. Their fuel cell system is almost ready and will be available in Britain next year. A standardized stack means future Honda FCVs will be able to be built on the same platforms as regular cars. A smaller pure-EV with the sexy look of the NSX and about 350 horsepower is also in the pipeline.

Of course, the biggest changes are happening in the mainstream niches. For example, conventional gasoline engines are reaching the same level of efficiency as hybrids, which is why the all-new 2016 Civic dropped its electric bits.

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