Jacques slams Michael!

Boom Shiva · 19th August 2006, 10:48

Serious case of sour grapes. I really doubt anyone will be forgetting Schumi.

...Villeneuve who?

khaadu75 · 19th August 2006, 10:52

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Originally Posted by ess_a

Any ways one thing i have observed is that there are too many people jealous of MS... Cmon guys, he is the greatest ever... People only crib because they are not even close... their desperation is ever evident in such kind of statements they make.... what makes me wonder that there are so many anti MS fans who actually are not even sure of the reason as to why they hate the champ....

Hey, I wonder who these jealous guys are ... I don't see anyone jealous of MS around here atleast .. unless not liking someone is termed as ' Jealousy ' ?? As for the desperation part ... Desperation is not in the statements made by JV but rather the way MS parked on the racing line -- that was ' DESPERATION '

!!

Also is it always necessary to like ' The Champ ' ... though he aint the champ at the moment in any way ... He didnt win the CS last year nor is he leading in the CS race this season -- So I wonder how you terming him the Champ ?? At the same time I wonder if the guys rooting for MS know the reasons for supporting him ??

Cheers

ranjan united · 19th August 2006, 10:59

Holy C**p, but I actually agree with JV a bit here. Was never a big fan of JV, but he does have a point.

prince85 · 19th August 2006, 12:18

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Originally Posted by condor

The constructor's title is important, but secondary.

Primary, Secondary or whatever you feel like saying. But my response was only pointed out to your statement where you said that the championship goes only to the driver and not to the team

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FYI, i never even mentioned MS in my response to your post. As it is, this is just yet another thread on the lines of MS fans v/s MS haters. Its the same old story all over again in the Motor-Sports section of T-BHP, but hey i love it!

adya33 · 19th August 2006, 15:59

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Originally Posted by GTO

Hahaha - JV wishes. No one will ever forget M Schumacher and I doubt anyone will ever break his records.

It was not long ago people were saying Fangio's record of 5 championships was unbreakable.

And I kinda agree with JV, unlike new age drivers worrying too much about PR he has guts to speak out his mind, too bad there are almost no real characters left in F1.

Shan2nu · 19th August 2006, 16:22

Frankly, JV doesn't have the credibility to comment on MS's career. He himself has been a stagnant presence in F1 and has had the reputation of being unsporty at times.

Only time will tell if MS's record will be broken.

Shan2nu

adya33 · 19th August 2006, 16:38

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Originally Posted by Shan2nu

Frankly, JV doesn't have the credibility to comment on MS's career. He himself has been a stagnant presence in F1 and has had the reputation of being unsporty at times.
Shan2nu

How much creditability one needs to comment then ?
It is just a comment from JV, take it or leave it.

redferrari · 19th August 2006, 16:41

As my handle would imply I am a ferrari fan, and I was since Jean Alesi days (when ferrari would rarely finish F1 races). I am a Schumi fan too. Yes, he plays dirty at times, he (and his team) is a master of tactics (read politics if you may). I hated it when RB had to succumb to team orders and make way for him. But no one can deny he is one heck of a driver and he has one of the best F1 teams' backing (someone who mentioned F1 is not a team sport may please watch one race and imagine the driver at a pitstop without his 'team', changing tyres on his own and filling fuel on his own... LOL )...

What JV has stated is probably correct, but they way it has come out really sounds like sour grapes. I was a fan of JV and Montoya's on track Attitude. While Montoya gave up (loser?) JV just fell from grace. Taking swipes at contemporaries who have been more successful isn't going to make him stay in fan's memories forever either. Real proof of his attitude would have been a comeback with the aim to reclaim his lost title (just like Schumi has).

Oh yes, for the one who wanted to know why I am a Shumi fan, "He does what it takes to win STOP".

karthik247 · 19th August 2006, 17:24

This guy talks as if hez some big $*** in F1, which he isn't even close to. Instead of going on sayin that Michael will never be remembered as a hero, he better start thinking will he himself ever be even close to being remembered.

He was a good driver, but thats the past. Right now, no one in F1 wants him so that just shows whoz losing big time.

karthik247 · 19th August 2006, 17:31

Ousted former world champion Jacques Villeneuve believes that his split with BMW shows a lack of ambition on the part of the German manufacturer.

The 35-year-old Canadian star reckons that BMW would have benefited from his experience of racing for wins, if it makes the leap in performance that Villeneuve expects it to next year.

“I’ve led races, I’ve won races,” he said in an interview with F1 Racing.

“I know how to do that. So I guess the question as to whether I’d drive for BMW next year was this: did BMW think they needed someone next year who could lead and win races? If they did, then they’d need me.

“If they didn’t then they wouldn’t. It just depended on how ambitious they were.

“But, for what it’s worth, I thought that the race of progress we were showing, which was very strong, suggested they would need someone who lead races and win races.”

Villeneuve admits that he wanted to continue racing for BMW next year and believes the team has made a mistake in replacing him with Polish sensation Robert Kubica.

The 21-year-old enjoyed a startling debut in Hungary, qualifying in the top ten and finishing in the points – before he was disqualified for his car being underweight.

But JV says that his lack of experience is likely to count against him in races to come.

“People should realise that doing a good Friday job isn’t the same as doing a good job on race weekends, and you won’t find out what any driver is really like until he does quite a few race weekends,” he said.

“So Robert is a question mark. I’m not criticising him – I’m just saying he is a question mark, because he is.

“Robert is very young. As of now, though, he doesn’t have much racing experience.

“And experience is always helpful, always important because racing involves getting yourself out of tricky situations – and it’s easier to get out those if you’ve been in them before and learnt from how you did and didn’t get out of them.”

This guy is simple going MAD!!
Now hez blaming BMW for not signing him for next year and says the other BMW drivers are young and not as talented as he is! What a JOKER!

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karthik247 · 19th August 2006, 17:32

Jacques Villeneuve believes that NASCAR is his only viable alternative should he, as seems likely, not continue racing in Formula 1 next year.

The former world champion acrimoniously split with BMW after the Hungarian Grand Prix, after the 35-year-old was dumped in favour of test driver Robert Kubica for the race in Budapest.

With no competitive options available in F1 for 2007, the 1995 Indianapolis 500 winner and IndyCar champion seems set to follow Juan Pablo Montoya to the Nextel Cup.

“These days, NASCAR isn’t a step down from F1,” Villeneuve said in an interview with F1 Racing.

“And, because of that, it’s something you can do without thinking you’re giving up on your career – just as Montoya has done.

“Le Mans, sports cars, DTM, IRL, Champ Car? Well, I’m sorry, but they’re all a step down from F1. NASCAR isn’t.”

If the Canadian continues to race, he says it will only be in a top category, and while the Indy 500 is still a blue riband event, Villeneuve considers the current IndyCar Series to be shadow of its former guise when he was a front-runner.

“Actually, GP2 is probably above Champ Car and IRL at the moment,” he said.

“An F1 team wouldn’t seriously consider a Champ Car driver or an IRL driver these days, but they look closely at GP2 drivers all the time.

“In fact an F1 team would probably consider a NASCAR driver before a Champ Car driver or an IRL driver – perhaps they’d even prefer to consider a Moto GP rider.

“And that shows the relative value of all those series.”

LOOKS LIKE MONTY HAS COMPANY!!!
Cant even imagine what he'll gonna say to everyone when there are a LOT of cars banging and racing each other. This guy could even start crying or so when hez put into the wall!

condor · 19th August 2006, 17:37

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Originally Posted by karthik247

Cant even imagine what he'll gonna say to everyone when there are a LOT of cars banging and racing each other. This guy could even start crying or so when hez put into the wall!

"Wham, Bham, Sorry Man" kind of racing?

Shan2nu · 19th August 2006, 18:04

NASCAR is as big as F1 my bottom. How many NASCAR drivers are known world wide?

I can't name even one of them. Oh wait........ i can, "COLE TRICKLE". LOL

Atleast IRL has a couple of known names.

This guy has lost it big time.

When someone starts targeting his own team-mates, you know you've got trouble.

If NASCAR is really that good, then why try convincing everyone? Shouldn't they be knowing that already?

Shan2nu

Boom Shiva · 19th August 2006, 18:14

He bitches about Schumi, then his team and team mates, and now tries to drag F1 down to the level of NASCAR.

He should just go gracefully and keep what's left of his dignity intact.

kphilip · 19th August 2006, 18:22

Schumi will always be remebred!!JV is just jelous how Schumi does his tactics perfect!!

19th August 2006, 10:48	#16
Boom Shiva BANNED Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Mumbai Posts: 1,044 Thanked: 19 Times	Serious case of sour grapes. I really doubt anyone will be forgetting Schumi. ...Villeneuve who?
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19th August 2006, 10:59	#18
ranjan united BHPian Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Windsor, Canada... But still a Bombay-Boy at heart !!! Posts: 409 Thanked: 3 Times	Holy C**p, but I actually agree with JV a bit here. Was never a big fan of JV, but he does have a point.
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19th August 2006, 16:22	#21
Shan2nu Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Hubli - Karnata Posts: 5,533 Thanked: 127 Times View My Garage	Frankly, JV doesn't have the credibility to comment on MS's career. He himself has been a stagnant presence in F1 and has had the reputation of being unsporty at times. Only time will tell if MS's record will be broken. Shan2nu
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19th August 2006, 16:41	#23
redferrari Newbie Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Pune Posts: 3 Thanked: 0 Times	As my handle would imply I am a ferrari fan, and I was since Jean Alesi days (when ferrari would rarely finish F1 races). I am a Schumi fan too. Yes, he plays dirty at times, he (and his team) is a master of tactics (read politics if you may). I hated it when RB had to succumb to team orders and make way for him. But no one can deny he is one heck of a driver and he has one of the best F1 teams' backing (someone who mentioned F1 is not a team sport may please watch one race and imagine the driver at a pitstop without his 'team', changing tyres on his own and filling fuel on his own... LOL )... What JV has stated is probably correct, but they way it has come out really sounds like sour grapes. I was a fan of JV and Montoya's on track Attitude. While Montoya gave up (loser?) JV just fell from grace. Taking swipes at contemporaries who have been more successful isn't going to make him stay in fan's memories forever either. Real proof of his attitude would have been a comeback with the aim to reclaim his lost title (just like Schumi has). Oh yes, for the one who wanted to know why I am a Shumi fan, "He does what it takes to win STOP".
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19th August 2006, 17:24	#24
karthik247 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: BLR, HYD Posts: 2,710 Thanked: 30 Times	This guy talks as if hez some big $*** in F1, which he isn't even close to. Instead of going on sayin that Michael will never be remembered as a hero, he better start thinking will he himself ever be even close to being remembered. He was a good driver, but thats the past. Right now, no one in F1 wants him so that just shows whoz losing big time.
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19th August 2006, 17:31	#25
karthik247 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: BLR, HYD Posts: 2,710 Thanked: 30 Times	Ousted former world champion Jacques Villeneuve believes that his split with BMW shows a lack of ambition on the part of the German manufacturer. The 35-year-old Canadian star reckons that BMW would have benefited from his experience of racing for wins, if it makes the leap in performance that Villeneuve expects it to next year. “I’ve led races, I’ve won races,” he said in an interview with F1 Racing. “I know how to do that. So I guess the question as to whether I’d drive for BMW next year was this: did BMW think they needed someone next year who could lead and win races? If they did, then they’d need me. “If they didn’t then they wouldn’t. It just depended on how ambitious they were. “But, for what it’s worth, I thought that the race of progress we were showing, which was very strong, suggested they would need someone who lead races and win races.” Villeneuve admits that he wanted to continue racing for BMW next year and believes the team has made a mistake in replacing him with Polish sensation Robert Kubica. The 21-year-old enjoyed a startling debut in Hungary, qualifying in the top ten and finishing in the points – before he was disqualified for his car being underweight. But JV says that his lack of experience is likely to count against him in races to come. “People should realise that doing a good Friday job isn’t the same as doing a good job on race weekends, and you won’t find out what any driver is really like until he does quite a few race weekends,” he said. “So Robert is a question mark. I’m not criticising him – I’m just saying he is a question mark, because he is. “Robert is very young. As of now, though, he doesn’t have much racing experience. “And experience is always helpful, always important because racing involves getting yourself out of tricky situations – and it’s easier to get out those if you’ve been in them before and learnt from how you did and didn’t get out of them.” This guy is simple going MAD!! Now hez blaming BMW for not signing him for next year and says the other BMW drivers are young and not as talented as he is! What a JOKER! Make sure you provide Actual Link to the article. - Mod Team Last edited by adya33 : 19th August 2006 at 23:41.
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19th August 2006, 17:32	#26
karthik247 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: BLR, HYD Posts: 2,710 Thanked: 30 Times	Jacques Villeneuve believes that NASCAR is his only viable alternative should he, as seems likely, not continue racing in Formula 1 next year. The former world champion acrimoniously split with BMW after the Hungarian Grand Prix, after the 35-year-old was dumped in favour of test driver Robert Kubica for the race in Budapest. With no competitive options available in F1 for 2007, the 1995 Indianapolis 500 winner and IndyCar champion seems set to follow Juan Pablo Montoya to the Nextel Cup. “These days, NASCAR isn’t a step down from F1,” Villeneuve said in an interview with F1 Racing. “And, because of that, it’s something you can do without thinking you’re giving up on your career – just as Montoya has done. “Le Mans, sports cars, DTM, IRL, Champ Car? Well, I’m sorry, but they’re all a step down from F1. NASCAR isn’t.” If the Canadian continues to race, he says it will only be in a top category, and while the Indy 500 is still a blue riband event, Villeneuve considers the current IndyCar Series to be shadow of its former guise when he was a front-runner. “Actually, GP2 is probably above Champ Car and IRL at the moment,” he said. “An F1 team wouldn’t seriously consider a Champ Car driver or an IRL driver these days, but they look closely at GP2 drivers all the time. “In fact an F1 team would probably consider a NASCAR driver before a Champ Car driver or an IRL driver – perhaps they’d even prefer to consider a Moto GP rider. “And that shows the relative value of all those series.” LOOKS LIKE MONTY HAS COMPANY!!! Cant even imagine what he'll gonna say to everyone when there are a LOT of cars banging and racing each other. This guy could even start crying or so when hez put into the wall! Last edited by karthik247 : 19th August 2006 at 17:34.
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19th August 2006, 18:04	#28
Shan2nu Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Hubli - Karnata Posts: 5,533 Thanked: 127 Times View My Garage	NASCAR is as big as F1 my bottom. How many NASCAR drivers are known world wide? I can't name even one of them. Oh wait........ i can, "COLE TRICKLE". LOL Atleast IRL has a couple of known names. This guy has lost it big time. When someone starts targeting his own team-mates, you know you've got trouble. If NASCAR is really that good, then why try convincing everyone? Shouldn't they be knowing that already? Shan2nu Last edited by Shan2nu : 19th August 2006 at 18:07.
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19th August 2006, 18:14	#29
Boom Shiva BANNED Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Mumbai Posts: 1,044 Thanked: 19 Times	He bitches about Schumi, then his team and team mates, and now tries to drag F1 down to the level of NASCAR. He should just go gracefully and keep what's left of his dignity intact.
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19th August 2006, 18:22	#30
kphilip BHPian Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Cochin Posts: 333 Thanked: 6 Times	Schumi will always be remebred!!JV is just jelous how Schumi does his tactics perfect!!
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