Webber stays with Red Bull. Now what about Kimi?

McLaren Rulez · 18th May 2010, 17:54

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Originally Posted by anachronix

^^ Webber at Ferrari!? No, please!

He is getting over-rated for just 2 good races for him! Come on...

Massa is underperforming too. I wouldn't be surprised if Ferrari want to replace him and Webber is the only other guy who's decently capable and out of contract at the end of this year. Obviously, they won't hire Raikkonen back (or will they?) so there's not too many options.

anachronix · 18th May 2010, 18:45

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I am sure Luca has started looking at an alternative for Massa in 2011. By all probabilities it will be Kubica!

Redbull is in need of a driver who can be consistent & fight for WDC. I have not seen this consistency so far from Vettel/Webber. They are fast for sure, but consistency is key. If they were consistent, this season would have already been over for the kind of car that RB4 is now. The catch up game from other teams are ON and it will only get tougher for Redbull from now on. We have seen so far how bad the Redbull boys are when they are not leading a race. They should have done what Brawn did last year. Both drivers have failed miserably in that. Vettel is young and he has a long way to go in F1. That's not the case with Webber, he has been in F1 for long!

Ferrari would not offer a contract to Webber for the same reason. They expected Massa/Alonso combination to dominate this season. But, Massa has lot his speed & he doesn't have Schumi in Ferrari to back him up. I would bet on Kubica at Ferrari in 2011.

Ferrari will not bring Kimi back, but if Kimi is coming back to F1 he would be in the Redbull team!

nitrous · 18th May 2010, 19:10

What happened to Kubica moving to Ferrari?

The way things are today, every driver would want to move to Red Bull. So, why would Mark Webber who's already in it consider moving to a Ferrari or Mclaren or any other team unless Redbull wants him to leave?

McLaren Rulez · 18th May 2010, 19:48

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Originally Posted by nitrous

The way things are today, every driver would want to move to Red Bull. So, why would Mark Webber who's already in it consider moving to a Ferrari or Mclaren or any other team unless Redbull wants him to leave?

Nail on the head there. But I suspect Red Bull may be reevaluating their opinion of Webber after these two races. So its up in the air

pranavt · 18th May 2010, 19:54

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Originally Posted by anachronix

Redbull is in need of a driver who can be consistent & fight for WDC. I have not seen this consistency so far from Vettel/Webber. They are fast for sure, but consistency is key. If they were consistent, this season would have already been over for the kind of car that RB4 is now. The catch up game from other teams are ON and it will only get tougher for Redbull from now on. We have seen so far how bad the Redbull boys are when they are not leading a race. They should have done what Brawn did last year. Both drivers have failed miserably in that. Vettel is young and he has a long way to go in F1. That's not the case with Webber, he has been in F1 for long!

After Schumacher's 2006 retirement, no driver has been consistent unless given a car head-and-shoulders above the rest, like Button's in 2009. Even then, he only dominated races where Brawn had a serious advantage. The moment RB started looking good, he changed his race strategy to salvage whatever points he could get. In 2007, Hamilton, Alonso and Raikkonen all made mistakes. If Schumacher was in that McLaren, there would've been no competition. Hamilton again almost lost the WDC in 2008 because of his inconsistency.

The cars have become much closer in terms of performance and there's no racer who is able to dominate everyone every race weekend.

anachronix · 18th May 2010, 19:55

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Originally Posted by nitrous

What happened to Kubica moving to Ferrari?

The way things are today, every driver would want to move to Red Bull. So, why would Mark Webber who's already in it consider moving to a Ferrari or Mclaren or any other team unless Redbull wants him to leave?

Its not Mark Webber who was considering a future outside of Redbull, it was Redbull who are considering their options before signing a contract with Webber. Something comparable to the situation DC was back in 2004 & Mclaren!

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Originally Posted by pranavt

After Schumacher's 2006 retirement, no driver has been consistent unless given a car head-and-shoulders above the rest, like Button's in 2009. Even then, he only dominated races where Brawn had a serious advantage. The moment RB started looking good, he changed his race strategy to salvage whatever points he could get. In 2007, Hamilton, Alonso and Raikkonen all made mistakes. If Schumacher was in that McLaren, there would've been no competition. Hamilton again almost lost the WDC in 2008 because of his inconsistency.

The cars have become much closer in terms of performance and there's no racer who is able to dominate everyone every race weekend.

That's the consistency I was talking about. Last year Jenson was consistently in points where the Brawn couldn't dominate & he secured a WDC for himself. He is doing the same this year! He dint do anything stupid to lose points.

Compare this to an amateurish overtaking by Webber in Australia to take out Hamilton & himself where he could have scored valuable points to fight for WDC. Its also good points lost for the team in the WCC.

Both Vettel & Webber are superb when they start from the front! Otherwise... they have a poor record so far!

jraj · 9th June 2010, 19:14

Formula 1? - The Official F1? Website

..Could this mean that we have already seen Iceman's last race in F1 :-( :-(

anachronix · 9th June 2010, 23:44

Take F1 contracts with a pinch of salt! Ferrari will always be ready to loan Massa to another team if there is a situation!

_chikku · 9th June 2010, 23:57

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Originally Posted by anachronix

Take F1 contracts with a pinch of salt! Ferrari will always be ready to loan Massa to another team if there is a situation!

Ferrari have given Felipe Massa a new two-year deal that will keep him with the Italian team until the end of 2012

PAVAN KADAM · 10th June 2010, 00:06

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Originally Posted by anachronix

Take F1 contracts with a pinch of salt! Ferrari will always be ready to loan Massa to another team if there is a situation!

True

they dumped Schumi , and nobody got a hint of all those background drama.

iceman7 · 10th June 2010, 11:17

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Originally Posted by _chikku

Ferrari have given Felipe Massa a new two-year deal that will keep him with the Italian team until the end of 2012

Kimi too had an on going contract with Ferrari when he was replaced by Alonso. I would prefer to wait and watch till this season unfolds completely.

issigonis · 10th June 2010, 11:43

It is less formula one, more formula moolah. If Banco Santander could muscle in Alonso into Ferrari ( and Ferrari was more than willing) I wouldn't be surprised to see a dodgy Indian politico sponsor his son or nephew and get a seat on any one of those teams.

nitrous · 10th June 2010, 15:50

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Originally Posted by issigonis

I wouldn't be surprised to see a dodgy Indian politico sponsor his son or nephew and get a seat on any one of those teams.

Well, I'd say BE surprised if that happens.
For all the money in the middle east, there is not ONE middle eastern Formula 1 driver, is there?

issigonis · 10th June 2010, 18:40

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Originally Posted by nitrous

Well, I'd say BE surprised if that happens.
For all the money in the middle east, there is not ONE middle eastern Formula 1 driver, is there?

>>> Or a middle eastern potentate

18th May 2010, 18:45	#17
anachronix Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Madras Posts: 3,286 Thanked: 1,336 Times View My Garage	+1 I am sure Luca has started looking at an alternative for Massa in 2011. By all probabilities it will be Kubica! Redbull is in need of a driver who can be consistent & fight for WDC. I have not seen this consistency so far from Vettel/Webber. They are fast for sure, but consistency is key. If they were consistent, this season would have already been over for the kind of car that RB4 is now. The catch up game from other teams are ON and it will only get tougher for Redbull from now on. We have seen so far how bad the Redbull boys are when they are not leading a race. They should have done what Brawn did last year. Both drivers have failed miserably in that. Vettel is young and he has a long way to go in F1. That's not the case with Webber, he has been in F1 for long! Ferrari would not offer a contract to Webber for the same reason. They expected Massa/Alonso combination to dominate this season. But, Massa has lot his speed & he doesn't have Schumi in Ferrari to back him up. I would bet on Kubica at Ferrari in 2011. Ferrari will not bring Kimi back, but if Kimi is coming back to F1 he would be in the Redbull team!
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18th May 2010, 19:10	#18
nitrous Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2004 Location: UAE/Lon/Madras Posts: 6,965 Thanked: 325 Times View My Garage	What happened to Kubica moving to Ferrari? The way things are today, every driver would want to move to Red Bull. So, why would Mark Webber who's already in it consider moving to a Ferrari or Mclaren or any other team unless Redbull wants him to leave?
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9th June 2010, 19:14	#22
jraj BHPian Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Michigan,USA Posts: 487 Thanked: 173 Times View My Garage	Massa gets another 2 years at Ferrari Formula 1? - The Official F1? Website ..Could this mean that we have already seen Iceman's last race in F1 :-( :-(
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9th June 2010, 23:44	#23
anachronix Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Madras Posts: 3,286 Thanked: 1,336 Times View My Garage	Take F1 contracts with a pinch of salt! Ferrari will always be ready to loan Massa to another team if there is a situation!
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10th June 2010, 11:43	#27
issigonis BHPian Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Bombay Posts: 956 Thanked: 95 Times	It is less formula one, more formula moolah. If Banco Santander could muscle in Alonso into Ferrari ( and Ferrari was more than willing) I wouldn't be surprised to see a dodgy Indian politico sponsor his son or nephew and get a seat on any one of those teams.
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