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If I am right, Ceramic Pro is one of the most expensive of the ceramic/nano treatments, sold from dedicated showrooms.
In the circumstances, expect major claims to be made. Big claims call for big proof. Maybe they can show not.
Whatever, there are probably cheaper treatments that may be as good.
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Originally Posted by Thad E Ginathom
(Post 4451726)
If I am right, Ceramic Pro is one of the most expensive of the ceramic/nano treatments, sold from dedicated showrooms.
In the circumstances, expect major claims to be made. Big claims call for big proof. Maybe they can show not.
Whatever, there are probably cheaper treatments that may be as good.
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Disclaimer I'm in no way a commercially interested party in any of the mentioned companies.
This is from my experience.
Opti coat from Optimum technologies is the VFM Silicon Carbide coating that blends with the clear coat of the car and has stood good amount of abuse for 3+ years in our conditions.
They give a warranty upto 7 years depending on the package you choose from.
I have gone with a cheaper treatment from a really well known/thorough applier for my smaller car. But 2 years is all what it could stand.
So my two points of conclusions are
1. The quality of application matters a lot (dust free zone, expertise of the applier, Quality Control overall)
2. The product matters.
And let me reiterate I'm no expert. But this is what I've tested and concluded. (this also includes various Bhpian cars)
If you still want to go ahead with waxing and polishing every year it is an excellent option too. Though the economics over a 4 year Period works in favor of these coatings though. (Assuming you use topnotch products and detailer)
If anyone disagrees with me I totally get it after all detailing is a very subjective topic.
Got the ceramic coating for the car done from PMP Car Care - Mumbai
The Product used was Gyeon MOHS
Sandesh Shetty was awesome at his work. I'll let the pictures do the talking :)
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Originally Posted by procrj
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Got ceramic done for the new celerio in the family. Opted for Gyeon Mohs
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Looks great, planning for alloys??
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Originally Posted by Leoshashi
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Looks great, planning for alloys??
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Thanks shashi. No vitamin M right now. Might pick them up sometime next year.
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Originally Posted by xander
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4. Driving in rain is far more comfortable with a coated windshield.
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Can anyone help with long term experiences of coated windshield. I am ususally hesitant using any sort of film or anything on windshield in case there is an impact for night driving
No doubt these coatings look wonderful, and hopefully they make maintenance easier, but there seems to be a lot of hype about hardness and actual deal world resistance to scratches.
I'm wondering specifically if any coating is harder than and resistant to... Cat claws?
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Originally Posted by Thad E Ginathom
(Post 4491556)
No doubt these coatings look wonderful, and hopefully they make maintenance easier, but there seems to be a lot of hype about hardness and actual deal world resistance to scratches.
I'm wondering specifically if any coating is harder than and resistant to... Cat claws?
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These coatings will and do get scratched.A lot of the terminology is just marketing.
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These coatings will and do get scratched
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That's pretty-much what I thought. But the claw of a dog/cat is not very hard on the scale of things.
The essential problem is that car paint is sensitive to the very things it is going to be exposed to. Like bird crap, and even... sunlight!
:Frustrati
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Originally Posted by johannskaria
(Post 4451757)
I'm in no way a commercially interested party in any of the mentioned companies.
This is from my experience.
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Opti coat from Optimum technologies is the VFM Silicon Carbide coating that blends with the clear coat of the car and has stood good amount of abuse for 3+ years in our conditions.
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While it is not clear why it is called Ceramic coating (to me) or if it is a ceramic coating, one thing is clear. The prep work is what is giving paint its shine in the end - Not the coating, which is merely protecting the amazing compounding work.
The Prep work before the coating is paint correction (compounding etc), it removes the orange peel, cleans up the paint and give it a better finish than the factory has - almost a show car quality paint correction. It is interesting to note that even premium German cars come factory equipped with orange peel. So this is a labor intensive process, else they would have done this in factory.
Does anyone have information of why its called ceramic coating? my guess is its just another paint sealant with a fancy name, which otherwise is a synthetic lacquer.
Excuse my ignorance, but what would the chemical essence of ceramic, as we normally think of the word, be? Silica?
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Originally Posted by Thad E Ginathom
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That's pretty-much what I thought. But the claw of a dog/cat is not very hard on the scale of things.
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The hardness factor that is trumpeted is a marketing gimmick IMHO. A lot of ceramics are not necessarily hard but still do a good job protecting paint from all the elements that come in contact with it.
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Originally Posted by Kosfactor
(Post 4491727)
The prep work is what is giving paint its shine in the end - Not the coating, which is merely protecting the amazing compounding work.
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that's the case with any kind of wax/sealant as well. better the prep, better the finished look.
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Does anyone have information of why its called ceramic coating? my guess is its just another paint sealant with a fancy name, which otherwise is a synthetic lacquer.
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Called ceramic probably because of the Silica content (SiO2 and SiC). Marketing speak, maybe OEMs wanted to lean on the anti corrosion and heat resistant nature of ceramics and hence decided to call it that. A single strong association with clearly defined values makes it easier to sell vis a vis something that's quiet amorphous - like nano sealant :D
I would say its one step better than the nano/polymer pain sealants because of its longevity(saying this after using Optimum Opti seal on my cars for a few years now). Its been more than a year since I got a single coat of ceramic on my TUVs bonnet (as a test) and here is how it looks today. This is just after a simple water wash. Given the size of the bonnet, I have had to clean all sorts of gunk off the top. Even after all that abuse, the coating does its job and its very easy to wash generally hard to remove contaminants like bird droppings, fig fruit explosions and so on.
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Originally Posted by Thad E Ginathom
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Excuse my ignorance, but what would the chemical essence of ceramic, as we normally think of the word, be? Silica?
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Yep Si is the core if I am not mistaken. But in today's complex age, industrial ceramics make use of just about every metal oxide and Si compounds. They even have superconducting ceramics - oxymoron for me!
Suffice to say that this would be the gold standard of affordable surface protection for those who do not want to waste time or money in the super-high profit industry of faux quartz/ceramic coating.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDxNmf6-OYs
Costs 15$ on Amazon, I guess the India price should be about 2-3k, but dead cheap if it can last 4-5 re-sprays over a year. Not that I'm buying anyway but looks real nice.
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