Baleno : Turbo + Direct Lpg Injection System = V_E_R_Y Satisfied

neo_trace · 18th January 2007, 13:06

HI
BACK AGAIN WITH NEW EXPERIMENT THAT succeed

I have turbocharged baleno running at 7 psi which is done by VIPER
I installed LPG system into it ,because it has ECU problem(map sensor) with turbo..and was not working fully at higher above 4000 rpm in petrol

But now i have installed Lovato 120kw suppoerted Direct injection system with LPG injectors

Ecu of LPG injector system is self tunable..which i have tunned at home myself
Ecu senses MAP values from car's ECM at variable RPM level and variable petrol injec tion timings(ms) and then uses formula with multiplying value for LPG injectors to inject LPG into cylinder..........which is very very useful for TURBO / SUPERCHARGED cars.

Car is running very smooth and fast and boost is very high running upto 6000RPM
NO intake leaning problem //// No ECM remapping required /// CHEAP

finally got what i want.

will send all pictures lateron
Hope this will help someone

Akshay1234 · 18th January 2007, 13:35

nice.. can you also put up some timing figures and pictures..

Psycho · 18th January 2007, 13:41

Congrats that was a good Idea would suggest that you invest into an AFR an fine tune your setup

2L8uLoose · 18th January 2007, 13:47

Congratulations NEO and VIPER,
Neo, did you happen to do a run before and after to see timings etc? If so would you be able to let us know the figures please.
Cheers.

HAFI · 18th January 2007, 20:09

@neo
please mention information on how much did it cost for you for the lpg as iam plannin it br fitted on my palio...

flipsyde · 18th January 2007, 22:14

congrats!! cool turbo charged LPG baleno!! now who would have thought!

pls post some pics and also some details on how you went about the setup.......other than the fact that you drove the car right into VIPER's garage!!!

SRK · 18th January 2007, 22:25

WOW!!!

I think it has to be 1st of its kind..

A LPG Turbo Charged Baleno..
Sounds wierd when heard 1st..
By the way is it comparable to the feel provided by petrol car..
If yes i think you will have created an economical fast car..

CrAzY dRiVeR · 18th January 2007, 22:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by SRK

WOW!!!

I think it has to be 1st of its kind..

A LPG Turbo Charged Baleno..
Sounds wierd when heard 1st..
By the way is it comparable to the feel provided by petrol car..
If yes i think you will have created an economical fast car..

economical... yet fast...

harsh87 · 18th January 2007, 23:03

nice work there
congratulations for being a pioneer, now many may follow you
is the ecu running closed loop, are you using lambda sensor readings

Mpower · 19th January 2007, 00:16

COngrats NEO, how about some pics.

The 120Kw kit was meant for which car?

MAP is positive (not vacuum) for turbo cars, I hope the Lovato ECU understands that.

Gtea · 19th January 2007, 06:27

Congrats Neo and Viper.

Are you running on LPG alone or you switch between LPG and Petrol????

Please post pics ASAP.

Ford Rocam · 19th January 2007, 10:12

Really appreciate the efforts you are putting it in to your project my recommendation get an E.G.T & water temp gauge & monitor the temperature both engine & exhaust dont rely on instrument clusters temp gauge your engine will be running more hot with lpg.
you should also time it with Gtech pro & see how much is the improvement.

power output will be far better with petrol than lpg & your problem could have been sorted out with petrol & i bet it can still be!

neo_trace · 19th January 2007, 20:44

ya car is running faaaaaar better than Petrol because its ECU managed LPG injection and can be switched to petrol to lpg and back

U just need to programe ECU right
ECU programing is running on TWO main Formulae

One Apply Volumetric efficiency chart created for
1.Displacement
2.initial RPM
3.final RED line marked RPM
4.Min and Max MAP value (upto 200Kpa)
5.if Boosted then boost pressure or if nat.aspireted Engine then this value will be zero.

Second Petrol timings and then applied multiplier according to VE chart

1.petrol timing that is naturally from CAR's ECM to LPG ECU
running car at variable level of RPM and MAP value will find exact Petrol timeing for turbo car then Lpg ECU will generate theoritical petrol timing for even higher 200KPA MAP value for boosted car. THEN LPG ECU will generate TABLE for RPM vs MAP graph

2. apply multiplier according to VE table generated from formulae

3. minor changes will solve jerks between gear shifts and will adjust initial RPM and test it.

keep driving and find for exact RPM jerks and adjust multipliers for minor.will solve problems

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LOVATO FAST 120kw will support upto 120kw car
1. i have choosen this system because its has highly capable pump and bigger injectors which can withstand with turbo air press

2. I can use same system again for bigger car in future.

3. not much price diff . betN 90kw and 120kw supported systems

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perfect petrol timing and multiplier belongs to testing and testing

will send u perfect multipliers and timing that i have used

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LPG kit has cost of rs 58000/ for me with 1yr warranty and 5 yrs service discounts (because turbo was first car for him)
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i m using lambda sensor readings for wide band AFR
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just want to keep watching on engine TEMP and water+coolent levels

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Will send u pics lateron after 25th..cause i m out of city

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Mp421b · 29th January 2007, 18:48

hey Neo, whats the size of your LPG tank and you can post some pics please.

18th January 2007, 13:06	#1
neo_trace BHPian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: surat,gujarat Posts: 191 Thanked: 40 Times	Baleno : Turbo + Direct Lpg Injection System = V_E_R_Y Satisfied HI BACK AGAIN WITH NEW EXPERIMENT THAT succeed I have turbocharged baleno running at 7 psi which is done by VIPER I installed LPG system into it ,because it has ECU problem(map sensor) with turbo..and was not working fully at higher above 4000 rpm in petrol But now i have installed Lovato 120kw suppoerted Direct injection system with LPG injectors Ecu of LPG injector system is self tunable..which i have tunned at home myself Ecu senses MAP values from car's ECM at variable RPM level and variable petrol injec tion timings(ms) and then uses formula with multiplying value for LPG injectors to inject LPG into cylinder..........which is very very useful for TURBO / SUPERCHARGED cars. Car is running very smooth and fast and boost is very high running upto 6000RPM NO intake leaning problem //// No ECM remapping required /// CHEAP finally got what i want. will send all pictures lateron Hope this will help someone
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18th January 2007, 13:35	#2
Akshay1234 Team-BHP Support Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Mumbai Posts: 10,265 Thanked: 12,317 Times	nice.. can you also put up some timing figures and pictures..
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18th January 2007, 13:41	#3
Psycho Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Bangalore Posts: 1,043 Thanked: 110 Times View My Garage	Congrats that was a good Idea would suggest that you invest into an AFR an fine tune your setup
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18th January 2007, 13:47	#4
2L8uLoose BANNED Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Bombay Posts: 628 Thanked: 6 Times View My Garage	Congratulations NEO and VIPER, Neo, did you happen to do a run before and after to see timings etc? If so would you be able to let us know the figures please. Cheers.
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18th January 2007, 20:09	#5
HAFI BANNED Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: cochin Posts: 296 Thanked: 0 Times	@neo please mention information on how much did it cost for you for the lpg as iam plannin it br fitted on my palio...
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18th January 2007, 22:14	#6
flipsyde BHPian Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Chennai Posts: 644 Thanked: 84 Times	congrats!! cool turbo charged LPG baleno!! now who would have thought! pls post some pics and also some details on how you went about the setup.......other than the fact that you drove the car right into VIPER's garage!!!
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18th January 2007, 22:25	#7
SRK Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Mumbai Posts: 1,201 Thanked: 524 Times	WOW!!! I think it has to be 1st of its kind.. A LPG Turbo Charged Baleno.. Sounds wierd when heard 1st.. By the way is it comparable to the feel provided by petrol car.. If yes i think you will have created an economical fast car..
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18th January 2007, 23:03	#9
harsh87 BHPian Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Delhi Posts: 169 Thanked: 3 Times View My Garage	nice work there congratulations for being a pioneer, now many may follow you is the ecu running closed loop, are you using lambda sensor readings
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19th January 2007, 00:16	#10
Mpower Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Bangalore Posts: 10,409 Thanked: 1,730 Times View My Garage	COngrats NEO, how about some pics. The 120Kw kit was meant for which car? MAP is positive (not vacuum) for turbo cars, I hope the Lovato ECU understands that.
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19th January 2007, 06:27	#11
Gtea BHPian Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Shillong Posts: 163 Thanked: Once	Congrats Neo and Viper. Are you running on LPG alone or you switch between LPG and Petrol???? Please post pics ASAP.
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19th January 2007, 10:12	#12
Ford Rocam BHPian Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Mumbai-India Posts: 878 Thanked: 23 Times	Really appreciate the efforts you are putting it in to your project my recommendation get an E.G.T & water temp gauge & monitor the temperature both engine & exhaust dont rely on instrument clusters temp gauge your engine will be running more hot with lpg. you should also time it with Gtech pro & see how much is the improvement. power output will be far better with petrol than lpg & your problem could have been sorted out with petrol & i bet it can still be!
	() Thanks

19th January 2007, 20:44	#13
neo_trace BHPian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: surat,gujarat Posts: 191 Thanked: 40 Times	ya car is running faaaaaar better than Petrol because its ECU managed LPG injection and can be switched to petrol to lpg and back U just need to programe ECU right ECU programing is running on TWO main Formulae One Apply Volumetric efficiency chart created for 1.Displacement 2.initial RPM 3.final RED line marked RPM 4.Min and Max MAP value (upto 200Kpa) 5.if Boosted then boost pressure or if nat.aspireted Engine then this value will be zero. Second Petrol timings and then applied multiplier according to VE chart 1.petrol timing that is naturally from CAR's ECM to LPG ECU running car at variable level of RPM and MAP value will find exact Petrol timeing for turbo car then Lpg ECU will generate theoritical petrol timing for even higher 200KPA MAP value for boosted car. THEN LPG ECU will generate TABLE for RPM vs MAP graph 2. apply multiplier according to VE table generated from formulae 3. minor changes will solve jerks between gear shifts and will adjust initial RPM and test it. keep driving and find for exact RPM jerks and adjust multipliers for minor.will solve problems ################################################## ### LOVATO FAST 120kw will support upto 120kw car 1. i have choosen this system because its has highly capable pump and bigger injectors which can withstand with turbo air press 2. I can use same system again for bigger car in future. 3. not much price diff . betN 90kw and 120kw supported systems ################################################## ######### perfect petrol timing and multiplier belongs to testing and testing will send u perfect multipliers and timing that i have used ################################################## ##### LPG kit has cost of rs 58000/ for me with 1yr warranty and 5 yrs service discounts (because turbo was first car for him) ################################################## ##### i m using lambda sensor readings for wide band AFR ################################################## ##### just want to keep watching on engine TEMP and water+coolent levels ################################################## ##### Will send u pics lateron after 25th..cause i m out of city ################################################## #####
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29th January 2007, 18:48	#14
Mp421b BHPian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Mumbai Posts: 190 Thanked: Once	hey Neo, whats the size of your LPG tank and you can post some pics please.
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