Mods for Swift VDi

BUSA · 16th February 2007, 18:46

Have booked a Pearl White Swift VDi with ABS and now throughly confused what to do with the modifications.

Some Info about the car : -

It comes with ABS.
I will install Petes Tunning box in some time.

I have many queries and i hope they are clarified.

1) Tyres - Stock car comes with 165/80/14 which are too puny for the car. Plan to upgrade it but dont want to compromise on the ride too much. After test driving the ZXi with 185 JKs i was not at all impressed and the VDi being 60kgs heavier should need much fatter rubber. I have zeroed in on 195/60/15. Now the question keep the info about the car in mind is.

Will the ride being compromised too much??
Will i have to raise the springs ( MUL dealer told me i would to accomodate the 195s)
Any better size other then this.
Which tyres in that size?
ABS Should not fail, and at what point does it fail.
How much effect will it have on the FE.
Will it touch the inside wall on full lock.

2) Air Intake - Have been using a K n N conical filter and i find it totally value for money. Now i would like to go in for either Green Cotton filter or KnN for the Swift VDi as well. My questions regarding the same are : -

Which one should i go for? I mean Conical or stock replacement. I would like to go in for Conical but i am not aware about the system for Diesel Turbocharged cars.

3) Exhaust - Do free flow exhausts for turbo charged cars give better performance, if yes what all ca you change, headers et all

4) Rear Wiper + Demister - My dealer told me it will cost 9000 to install the wiper and 3000 to install the demister. Somebody on team-bhp said it costs 25,000 which i guess is wrong.

Please help me, first time owning a diesel car. Never liked Diesels but Verna and Swift just changed my thoughts about them.

Vid6639 · 16th February 2007, 18:49

you want to do all that to a new car???? your gonna void your warranty pal. and remember the swift diesel is a relatively new car.

It's still on trial. and if any parts needs to be changed you wont get the benefit.

BUSA · 16th February 2007, 18:52

Well the tyres i want to change immediately. About the Exhaust and intake i will be doing it after the 2nd service!!

Vid6639 · 16th February 2007, 18:59

For tyres look around the forum. Quite a few people have changed the swift tyres. The ideal size is 195/60-15. It does not touch the inner wall.

Recommended tyres are michelin primacy or preceda. Those are the only ones available. If your lucky you may get the yoko AVS ES-100.

Mods to the intake and exhaust are not recommended on a turbocharged diesel car. Especially when the vehicle is new in the market.

Even Pete's tuning box will not be available for quite some time for the car.

Will this be your daily drive? With the 195 tyres expect the mileage to come down as the contact patch will increase by 30mm on each tyre.

vikram_d · 16th February 2007, 19:01

195/60-R15 is a very safe size for the swift. I dont think it should cause you any problems provided suzuki has kept the suspension the same as the petrol version. I think it might have been stiffened just a little bit. Either w
ys you should not have any problems with this size.

BUSA · 16th February 2007, 19:08

Even i am looking at 195/60/15 but when i matched the size with the tire size calculator, there is a bit of a difference comparing it with 165, but when comparing with 185 it comes 0.1 error.

Quote:

Even Pete's tuning box will not be available for quite some time for the car.

Its available from March 1st, 90 BHP and 215NM of torque.

What about the ride with those tyres. It going to be a daily driver and will run around 80kms every day. By How Much will the FE go down??

Once the vehicle is a bit old, then can i go for the mods to the intake and exhaust??

vikram_d · 16th February 2007, 19:12

It is not necessary that the mileage will go down. Even if it does then will be about half a kilometer per litre.

BUSA · 16th February 2007, 19:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by vikram_d

It is not necessary that the mileage will go down. Even if it does then will be about half a kilometer per litre.

Thanks alot, because with the amount of torque it desparetly needs wider rubber.

What will be the effect on the ride??

Ricky_63 · 16th February 2007, 19:32

In my experiance wide tyres DO NOT bring down the FE, I have experianced it on ZEN, Opal Astra, Indica, Scorpio, Ikon, Skoda, Lancer, believe me, it's the driving style.......

Cheers

Ricky_63 · 16th February 2007, 19:36

Enjoy the new ride !! Believe me tyre upsizing does not essentially bring down the FE. I have tried & tested this fact on a wide range of cars. Zen, Opal Astra, Indica, Ford IKON, Scorpio, Lancer, Skoda Octavia. I think it's more the driving style that gets the FE.

Cheers

Ricky_63 · 16th February 2007, 19:38

We would look froward to some pics of your new car, with the wide tyres I hope !!

BUSA · 16th February 2007, 20:14

Thanks Ricky for the information. Yes the pics will come only after the car arrives.

binz · 16th February 2007, 20:21

IF you dont get replies from the tuner gurus please pm them coz they are at speedrun and wont be on the forum.DO NOT TOUCH YOUR HEADERS.Your turbo is mounted to it and theres a 99.99% chance of you getting it screwed up.As for the air filter,its much easier to use a stock replacement filter,..if you install a conical,..just don't install it yourself.

BUSA · 16th February 2007, 21:42

Thanx Binz i would not be installing it myself for sure, will be going to a tuner, so now is it advisable to install a conical one??

Mp421b · 16th February 2007, 22:39

wat do you guys think of the 185/70/14....thats wat comes with the zxi. all i wanna ask is that is the above size not good enough for the vdi considerin its approx 60 kg's more nose heavy.... and wat will be the diff in the grip, ride and fe as compared to the 195/60/15....?????

16th February 2007, 18:46	#1
BUSA Senior - BHPian Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bombay Posts: 5,130 Thanked: 20 Times View My Garage	Mods for Swift VDi Have booked a Pearl White Swift VDi with ABS and now throughly confused what to do with the modifications. Some Info about the car : - It comes with ABS. I will install Petes Tunning box in some time. I have many queries and i hope they are clarified. 1) Tyres - Stock car comes with 165/80/14 which are too puny for the car. Plan to upgrade it but dont want to compromise on the ride too much. After test driving the ZXi with 185 JKs i was not at all impressed and the VDi being 60kgs heavier should need much fatter rubber. I have zeroed in on 195/60/15. Now the question keep the info about the car in mind is. Will the ride being compromised too much?? Will i have to raise the springs ( MUL dealer told me i would to accomodate the 195s) Any better size other then this. Which tyres in that size? ABS Should not fail, and at what point does it fail. How much effect will it have on the FE. Will it touch the inside wall on full lock. 2) Air Intake - Have been using a K n N conical filter and i find it totally value for money. Now i would like to go in for either Green Cotton filter or KnN for the Swift VDi as well. My questions regarding the same are : - Which one should i go for? I mean Conical or stock replacement. I would like to go in for Conical but i am not aware about the system for Diesel Turbocharged cars. 3) Exhaust - Do free flow exhausts for turbo charged cars give better performance, if yes what all ca you change, headers et all 4) Rear Wiper + Demister - My dealer told me it will cost 9000 to install the wiper and 3000 to install the demister. Somebody on team-bhp said it costs 25,000 which i guess is wrong. Please help me, first time owning a diesel car. Never liked Diesels but Verna and Swift just changed my thoughts about them.
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16th February 2007, 18:49	#2
Vid6639 Team-BHP Support Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 17,730 Thanked: 43,483 Times View My Garage	you want to do all that to a new car???? your gonna void your warranty pal. and remember the swift diesel is a relatively new car. It's still on trial. and if any parts needs to be changed you wont get the benefit. Last edited by Vid6639 : 16th February 2007 at 18:51.
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16th February 2007, 18:52	#3
BUSA Senior - BHPian Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bombay Posts: 5,130 Thanked: 20 Times View My Garage	Well the tyres i want to change immediately. About the Exhaust and intake i will be doing it after the 2nd service!!
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16th February 2007, 18:59	#4
Vid6639 Team-BHP Support Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 17,730 Thanked: 43,483 Times View My Garage	For tyres look around the forum. Quite a few people have changed the swift tyres. The ideal size is 195/60-15. It does not touch the inner wall. Recommended tyres are michelin primacy or preceda. Those are the only ones available. If your lucky you may get the yoko AVS ES-100. Mods to the intake and exhaust are not recommended on a turbocharged diesel car. Especially when the vehicle is new in the market. Even Pete's tuning box will not be available for quite some time for the car. Will this be your daily drive? With the 195 tyres expect the mileage to come down as the contact patch will increase by 30mm on each tyre.
	() Thanks

16th February 2007, 19:01	#5
vikram_d Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 2,427 Thanked: 1,185 Times	195/60-R15 is a very safe size for the swift. I dont think it should cause you any problems provided suzuki has kept the suspension the same as the petrol version. I think it might have been stiffened just a little bit. Either w ys you should not have any problems with this size.
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16th February 2007, 19:12	#7
vikram_d Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 2,427 Thanked: 1,185 Times	It is not necessary that the mileage will go down. Even if it does then will be about half a kilometer per litre.
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16th February 2007, 19:32	#9
Ricky_63 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Gurgaon Posts: 3,885 Thanked: 518 Times View My Garage	In my experiance wide tyres DO NOT bring down the FE, I have experianced it on ZEN, Opal Astra, Indica, Scorpio, Ikon, Skoda, Lancer, believe me, it's the driving style....... Cheers
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16th February 2007, 19:36	#10
Ricky_63 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Gurgaon Posts: 3,885 Thanked: 518 Times View My Garage	Enjoy the new ride !! Believe me tyre upsizing does not essentially bring down the FE. I have tried & tested this fact on a wide range of cars. Zen, Opal Astra, Indica, Ford IKON, Scorpio, Lancer, Skoda Octavia. I think it's more the driving style that gets the FE. Cheers
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16th February 2007, 19:38	#11
Ricky_63 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Gurgaon Posts: 3,885 Thanked: 518 Times View My Garage	We would look froward to some pics of your new car, with the wide tyres I hope !!
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16th February 2007, 20:14	#12
BUSA Senior - BHPian Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bombay Posts: 5,130 Thanked: 20 Times View My Garage	Thanks Ricky for the information. Yes the pics will come only after the car arrives.
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16th February 2007, 20:21	#13
binz Senior - BHPian Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bangalore Posts: 1,306 Thanked: 431 Times View My Garage	IF you dont get replies from the tuner gurus please pm them coz they are at speedrun and wont be on the forum.DO NOT TOUCH YOUR HEADERS.Your turbo is mounted to it and theres a 99.99% chance of you getting it screwed up.As for the air filter,its much easier to use a stock replacement filter,..if you install a conical,..just don't install it yourself.
	() Thanks

16th February 2007, 21:42	#14
BUSA Senior - BHPian Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bombay Posts: 5,130 Thanked: 20 Times View My Garage	Thanx Binz i would not be installing it myself for sure, will be going to a tuner, so now is it advisable to install a conical one??
	() Thanks

16th February 2007, 22:39	#15
Mp421b BHPian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Mumbai Posts: 190 Thanked: Once	wat do you guys think of the 185/70/14....thats wat comes with the zxi. all i wanna ask is that is the above size not good enough for the vdi considerin its approx 60 kg's more nose heavy.... and wat will be the diff in the grip, ride and fe as compared to the 195/60/15....?????
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