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Old 27th September 2020, 19:05   #16
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Re: Gloss/Protection in disguise at the cost of peanuts | Sonax BSD | Ratio (1:2)

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Old 28th October 2020, 03:42   #17
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Re: Gloss/Protection in disguise at the cost of peanuts | Sonax BSD | Ratio (1:2)

I reached my home town after a 2600 km drive.After relaxing for a while washed the car thoroughly.

Trust me the amount of cow dung which I have removed from the underbelly was enromous.It took me almost 3 hours to remove all that goo which was stuck like a chewing gum.

I carried along some detailing stuff to ensure the car is being pampered where ever it goes.Took this oppertunity to apply BSD with ration of 1:1

Most of the time we will be travelling which equates to less washing and more abuse to the paint.This will be a true test of how good the sealent holds off against a variety of contaminants.

As for the procedure a regular wash with PH neutral shampoo followed by the drying and applying the sealent was done.Roughly 100 ml was used to cover the whole vehicle barring the roof.

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Re: Gloss/Protection in disguise at the cost of peanuts | Sonax BSD | Ratio (1:2)

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The top coat is performing well but the gloss is missing(Typical with White Color)
Hey Artyom, after reading some rave views of BSD, I ordered one (along with Sonax Gloss shampoo) from powergrid. Received the delivery pretty quickly!

However, before application, came across couple of posts on Youtube by some detailers that using any product over ceramic coating will lead to suppressing of ceramic coating properties. While beading offered by BSD is phenomenal, how is dust repellent property?

My 2 months old car (black colored Creta) is coated with Modesta coating. While it offers good slickness leading to ease in wiping off the dust, I am not too impressed by the gloss after spending 32k on the coating. Was primarily looking to boost the gloss with BSD, but will it come at cost of loosing some benefits of coating? How has been your experience.

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PS: I got Carpro Ech20 as well for the waterless washes and quick detailer.
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I am not too impressed by the gloss after spending 32k on the coating.
Was primarily looking to boost the gloss with BSD, but will it come at cost of loosing some benefits of coating?
How has been your experience.
Believe me, i was in the same boat as yours where the ceramic coating offered the protection but the gloss was missing in my case too.
The first attempt I made to enhance the gloss was to use Carpro Hydr02 and it will instantly offer the gloss but again that is not something which
falls in the economic product zone. The 100 Ml bottle costs 1500 bucks and I was able to get 3 full coats out of it. Please note I applied 1 coat and then waited for it to deplete and then applied the 2nd one just a week back. The gloss is back.

Now BSD was something which came into the picture long after I applied the 1st coat of Carpro Hydr02 and when it had started showing signs of
wearing off.BSD instantly brought the gloss and shine back and mind you the ratio at that time was 1:3 or 1:2(Don't remember exactly)
I did some research online to ensure that it won't affect the coating and most of the detailers whom i queried were positive on applying BSD on top of the ceramic coat.
I personally could not find any depletion or any miss in the ceramic coating properties. In fact, it was better now with the gloss being evident.
So far I have applied BSD in ratios of 1:3,1:2 and lately 1:1 and I could not find any reason not to use it atop of the coating.
I would in fact go to an extent that BSD is the most economical way to keep topping the protection and gloss.

Having said that if you want to see for your self apply BSD in 1:1 or 1:2 ratio to a quarter panel and see the difference in the gloss.
Perhaps you can monitor the amount of time it will take with regular maintenance for BSD to ear off.
My estimate was roughly 1-2 months with 1:2 ratio so with 1:1 easily it should last for at least 2-2.5 months.
This way you can ascertain that BSD is not masking the ceramic layer properties.

Carpro Ech02 is now doing the duty of QD for me as I have stopped using it as a waterless wash.
Instead, now Proklear Waterless wash is my go-to product.

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Having said that if you want to see for your self apply BSD in 1:1 or 1:2 ratio to a quarter panel and see the difference in the gloss.
Perhaps you can monitor the amount of time it will take with regular maintenance for BSD to ear off.
My estimate was roughly 1-2 months with 1:2 ratio so with 1:1 easily it should last for at least 2-2.5 months.
This way you can ascertain that BSD is not masking the ceramic layer properties.
Thanks Artyom for the quick revert. Shall definitely try BSD. At worst if it masks the ceramic coating properties, its effect will wear off in 1-2 months

Shall share my experience!
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Re: Gloss/Protection in disguise at the cost of peanuts | Sonax BSD | Ratio (1:2)

Tried the BSD yesterday on my 6 year old Punto. It has worked brilliantly. Hope this will protect the surface for the next few weeks atleast.
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Tried the BSD yesterday on my 6 year old Punto. It has worked brilliantly. Hope this will protect the surface for the next few weeks atleast.
You should expect at least 1 -1.5 months of protection based upon how frequently the vehicle is washed or cleaned. Do share your numbers.
Would be interesting to see how it fairs on a vehicle which is kept out in the open.
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You should expect at least 1 -1.5 months of protection based upon how frequently the vehicle is washed or cleaned. Do share your numbers.
Would be interesting to see how it fairs on a vehicle which is kept out in the open.
Thanks Artyom. Shall keep this thread updated. The only issue is that the place where I live, its very very dusty as most of the surrounding roads and buildings are under construction. So I tend to wash the car atleast once a week. Let's see how it fares.
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Re: Gloss/Protection in disguise at the cost of peanuts | Sonax BSD | Ratio (1:2)

This wouldn't be a good replacement for the PK rinse less wash n wax right? Since this can't be applied to glass.
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This wouldn't be a good replacement for the PK rinse less wash n wax right? Since this can't be applied to glass.
I have applied it on glass without issues .We have ensure there is no residue left on by buffing it thoroughly.
PK is more of a cleaning solution whereas BSD is more inclined towards offering gloss and protection.
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I purchased the BSD with high hopes, but after using it on my car which was ceramic coated 5 months back . I did not find any such improvement in Shine or water beading .


I wonder what went wrong?

I did not prepare the surface except for giving it a shampoo wash.
I did not dilute or mix BSD with anything. I simply sprayed it on a dry area and buffed it off using microfiber cloth.
The product was purchased from Flipkart and seems to be genuine product.

The improvement in hydrophobicity was hardly 5%

Would you guys recommend any other product like Turtle wax Ceramic Spray or Seal and Shine, MEGUIAR'S Hybrid Ceramic Spray Wax ,MEGUIAR'S G200416 Hybrid Ceramic Liquid Wax
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I purchased the BSD with high hopes, but after using it on my car which was ceramic coated 5 months back . I did not find any such improvement in Shine or water beading .


I wonder what went wrong?

I did not prepare the surface except for giving it a shampoo wash.
I did not dilute or mix BSD with anything. I simply sprayed it on a dry area and buffed it off using microfiber cloth.
The product was purchased from Flipkart and seems to be genuine product.

The improvement in hydrophobicity was hardly 5%

Would you guys recommend any other product like Turtle wax Ceramic Spray or Seal and Shine, MEGUIAR'S Hybrid Ceramic Spray Wax ,MEGUIAR'S G200416 Hybrid Ceramic Liquid Wax
Since your car is coated with Ceramic, that too isn't very old, you won't notice any significant improvement with BSD or any other products. Wax could provide a little more depth because of the oils present in it, but BSD isn't going to do that. BSD as an standalone product, gives a very cold finish and not a warm finish like the wax. I also wasn't able to notice significant gloss on my paint with BSD but the water beading effect was surely there. If you want, you can try products with SiO2 content. Might show you better results than BSD.
Although, i am sure other members could guide you even better.
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I purchased the BSD with high hopes, but after using it on my car which was ceramic coated 5 months back . I did not find any such improvement in Shine or water beading .
First of all you need to let the forum know what is your expectation and why are you trying to use any product for that matter on a ceramic coted car.

Taking a wild guess if its for more Hydrophobicity and Shine then the ceramic is already providing you one ,If you want to enhance both you can use products which are SiO2 based and are designed for Ceramic coated cars.

I can recommend a few products if you want:-

Gyeon Bathe+ car shampoo is a SiO2 based car shampoo and adds a layer of SIo2 during the wash which means additional protection and some shine.

Carpro Ech02 as a Quick Detailer after every wash which adds some layer of protection and shine.

The above 2 products are something i have tried and tested and they work.

Few other products which can be used as maintenance products (Once in a while) :-

- Carpro Reload
- GYEON QM WETCOAT
-CarPro HydrO2

There are products from other brands as well which serve the same purpose which you can try. Generally the thumb rule with a ceramic coated car is not to coat it with another layer of any product. This is because it will cover up the characteristics of the ceramic layer thereby nullifying your investment on the ceramic coating.

Now coming to the Sonax BSD as @Abhi said its most effective as a standalone product. It offers more protection than shine.
I recently got my vehicle ceramic coated and after that the only 2 products i have used is the car shampoo which the detailer recommended and Carpro Ech02 as a Quick detailer and they both work as a charm.
I am using Sonax BSD now on the internal door panels and other areas which usually are ignored during regular cleaning.

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First of all you need to let the forum know what is your expectation and why are you trying to use any product for that matter on a ceramic coted car.

Taking a wild guess if its for more Hydrophobicity and Shine then the ceramic is already providing you one ,If you want to enhance both you can use products which are SiO2 based and are designed for Ceramic coated cars.
Very valid point. I was indeed expecting Hydrophobicity and Shine. After about 5 months the ceramic coating , it had lost Hydrophobicity especially on the Hood and the boot. I was not expecting ceramic to give up so quickly, may be due to driving in rain.

That's when I thought of using BSD. I also experimented with BSD on half of the boot of my Altis which has not been detailed for years. I could hardly find any improvement in Hydrophobicity or Shine.
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Very valid point. I was indeed expecting Hydrophobicity and Shine. After about 5 months the ceramic coating , it had lost Hydrophobicity especially on the Hood and the boot. I was not expecting ceramic to give up so quickly, may be due to driving in rain.

That's when I thought of using BSD. I also experimented with BSD on half of the boot of my Altis which has not been detailed for years. I could hardly find any improvement in Hydrophobicity or Shine.
Few Questions:-

1. How is the coating performing on the rest of the panels apart from hood and boot? Is the Hydrophobicity and Shine still intact?
2. When was the first wash done post coating? Was it within 7 days of coating the vehicle?
3. If I may ask which brand of coating was it and did the detailer specify if its a 1 year or 2 year or 4 year coating?
4. Do you see a lot swirls on the hood and boot as compared to the rest of the body?
5. Was the Altis washed before the application?
6. If you swipe your hand on the hood and the bot do you feel roughness ?

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