Esteem - Carbs to FI

invincible7 · 10th September 2007, 17:15

Want to know how good is the idea of getting a carburated esteem converted into a FI setup.. what should be kept in mind and also what should be the cost involved ideally..

bruce · 10th September 2007, 21:14

Wish I could that, but found out that it would be a messy upgrade, instead you can sell of the car go for a 2000&up MPFI models, they might available for 1.75 upwards.

pawan · 10th September 2007, 21:16

you would need ecu, wiring ,harness, sensors, injectors.

archerdyal · 10th September 2007, 21:18

Intake maniflod and throttle body too.......or maybe u need to replace the head i dun know bout that and the headers too

dinar · 10th September 2007, 23:11

you can use parts from maruti stable for the sensors, pump,manifold and get a good ecu[programmable].
If you are DIY guy than go ahead. there will be some places you'll be stuck for some time, but it can be done.

rohan_fonseca · 10th September 2007, 23:53

You will require a 16v head as well. Also will it be possible to retrofit the crank position sensor, speed sensor etc?

rdkarthik · 11th September 2007, 17:41

Its a simple straight forward job.

A complete mpfi esteem engine, ecu, wiring and instrument cluster should cost you anywhere from 50k to 80k. Its a bolt on to your carb esteem.

If you cant source out orignal ECU and/or wiring, you can plug in an aftermarket stndalone ECU to get you going.

bruce · 11th September 2007, 19:27

Karthik,
So would be a easy job to do?

flipsyde · 11th September 2007, 21:14

i had similar transplant ideas for my m-1000. but in the end the numbers just dont make sense.

even if i did spend 80k on the install i'd be left with the age old interiors, no power windows, no power steering, an RC book which says m-1000 and sleepless nights wondering if there was a glitch in the whole install and whether it was as good as a mpfi esteem.

unless your senti about this esteem i suggest you chuck it out and grab yourself a post 2000 mpfi model. seems like a safer bet in many ways.

rohan_fonseca · 12th September 2007, 01:34

Karthik what are the sensors that would be required with a standalone?

Mpower · 12th September 2007, 01:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by rdkarthik

Its a simple straight forward job.

A complete mpfi esteem engine, ecu, wiring and instrument cluster should cost you anywhere from 50k to 80k. Its a bolt on to your carb esteem.

If you cant source out orignal ECU and/or wiring, you can plug in an aftermarket stndalone ECU to get you going.

He wants to keep his old 8V engine and just replace the carb with EFI.

dinar · 12th September 2007, 09:08

invincible ,you can do an efi system , if you have good knowledge of electronics and engines...if you do not have these than do not attempt this on your own, get some help from tuners..... or as rdkarthik said replace the engine.

veyron1 · 12th September 2007, 12:13

If we're just looking at going FI, why look at multiport? Why not TBI? Simpler, cost-efficient, and minimal alterations required, in terms of wiring, manifold customizing, labour, etc....

invincible7 · 12th September 2007, 13:42

hmm well seems to be a long route than i had thought so.... is there anyway to improve the performance of the car in the existing system.. i.e with carbs.... i have a complete stock car...

dinar · 12th September 2007, 14:34

go in for header,FFE, porting/polishing of head,etc. there are tuners near your place, autopsyhe for one is good.you can approach him,by the getting an efi to increase performance is not the only way you need a lot of other stuff also to increase it.

10th September 2007, 17:15	#1
invincible7 BHPian Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Delhi NCR Posts: 665 Thanked: 173 Times	Esteem - Carbs to FI Want to know how good is the idea of getting a carburated esteem converted into a FI setup.. what should be kept in mind and also what should be the cost involved ideally..
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10th September 2007, 21:14	#2
bruce BHPian Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bangalore Posts: 140 Thanked: 5 Times View My Garage	Wish I could that, but found out that it would be a messy upgrade, instead you can sell of the car go for a 2000&up MPFI models, they might available for 1.75 upwards.
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10th September 2007, 21:16	#3
pawan BHPian Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: auckland, new zealand Posts: 868 Thanked: 4 Times	you would need ecu, wiring ,harness, sensors, injectors.
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10th September 2007, 21:18	#4
archerdyal BHPian Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Jalandhar Posts: 48 Thanked: 0 Times	Hi Intake maniflod and throttle body too.......or maybe u need to replace the head i dun know bout that and the headers too
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10th September 2007, 23:11	#5
dinar Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: goa Posts: 1,066 Thanked: 57 Times	you can use parts from maruti stable for the sensors, pump,manifold and get a good ecu[programmable]. If you are DIY guy than go ahead. there will be some places you'll be stuck for some time, but it can be done.
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10th September 2007, 23:53	#6
rohan_fonseca BHPian Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Panaji Posts: 984 Thanked: 8 Times View My Garage	You will require a 16v head as well. Also will it be possible to retrofit the crank position sensor, speed sensor etc?
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11th September 2007, 17:41	#7
rdkarthik BHPian Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: bangalore Posts: 206 Thanked: 13 Times	Its a simple straight forward job. A complete mpfi esteem engine, ecu, wiring and instrument cluster should cost you anywhere from 50k to 80k. Its a bolt on to your carb esteem. If you cant source out orignal ECU and/or wiring, you can plug in an aftermarket stndalone ECU to get you going.
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11th September 2007, 19:27	#8
bruce BHPian Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bangalore Posts: 140 Thanked: 5 Times View My Garage	Karthik, So would be a easy job to do?
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11th September 2007, 21:14	#9
flipsyde BHPian Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Chennai Posts: 644 Thanked: 84 Times	i had similar transplant ideas for my m-1000. but in the end the numbers just dont make sense. even if i did spend 80k on the install i'd be left with the age old interiors, no power windows, no power steering, an RC book which says m-1000 and sleepless nights wondering if there was a glitch in the whole install and whether it was as good as a mpfi esteem. unless your senti about this esteem i suggest you chuck it out and grab yourself a post 2000 mpfi model. seems like a safer bet in many ways.
	() Thanks

12th September 2007, 01:34	#10
rohan_fonseca BHPian Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Panaji Posts: 984 Thanked: 8 Times View My Garage	Karthik what are the sensors that would be required with a standalone?
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12th September 2007, 09:08	#12
dinar Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: goa Posts: 1,066 Thanked: 57 Times	invincible ,you can do an efi system , if you have good knowledge of electronics and engines...if you do not have these than do not attempt this on your own, get some help from tuners..... or as rdkarthik said replace the engine.
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12th September 2007, 12:13	#13
veyron1 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Mumbai Posts: 1,424 Thanked: 52 Times View My Garage	If we're just looking at going FI, why look at multiport? Why not TBI? Simpler, cost-efficient, and minimal alterations required, in terms of wiring, manifold customizing, labour, etc....
	() Thanks

12th September 2007, 13:42	#14
invincible7 BHPian Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Delhi NCR Posts: 665 Thanked: 173 Times	hmm well seems to be a long route than i had thought so.... is there anyway to improve the performance of the car in the existing system.. i.e with carbs.... i have a complete stock car...
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12th September 2007, 14:34	#15
dinar Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: goa Posts: 1,066 Thanked: 57 Times	go in for header,FFE, porting/polishing of head,etc. there are tuners near your place, autopsyhe for one is good.you can approach him,by the getting an efi to increase performance is not the only way you need a lot of other stuff also to increase it.
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