Converting Tata Sierra Turbo to current emission standards

vijuvarghese · 14th March 2009, 12:03

I need suggestions for converting my 1997-Dec model Sierra Turbo to meet the stricter emission standards being planned next year (BS 4/ Euro 4?).

The car has had engine overhaul, done 33K kms since and I have changed/repaired all components except gearbox and differential. All four suspensions are on Bilsteins shock absorbers (has been the costliest single part of all repairs) and therfore please do not suggest that I change the engine and GB rightaway.

This is my fourth car and had decided to keep the car as long as I could and is also my daily commute car. All of us in the family including our Bullmastiff travel to Kerala from Bangalore every quarter.

The same 483 DL engine in a Tata TL and Sumo Victa are BS 3 compliant. Therefore I feel it should not be too difficult and expensive to convert my Sierra Turbo to meet BS 3, atleast.

Please let me know how I can achieve this - parts that need to change, cost, etc.

I look forward to valuable suggestions by esteemed members.

Warm regards,
Viju

frankmehta · 14th March 2009, 12:27

why do you want to convert it to match euro standards? i agree its a good gesture on your behalf but you will end up spending a lot of cash on it. what is the primary reason that you want to change to euro IV?

vijuvarghese · 14th March 2009, 12:39

The primary reason to convert to new norms is to meet regulations. If I remember correctly, it was mentioned in papers a few weeks ago that even older vehicles will have to comply with newer standards for emissions going forward.

The other is of course to reduce pollution that I cause to the environment. I feel guilty when I have to rev hard and there are 2 WH riders behind me in city traffic.

GTO · 14th March 2009, 15:19

I don't think it affects cars already on the road. But if it does, then simply register your Sierra to the RTO of a smaller town where Bharat Stage IV is not enforced.

nitrous · 14th March 2009, 15:27

In 2012, your sierra will need to undergo a Fitness certification which will include an smoke analyser test.
You will need to overhaul your sierra's Fuel Injection pump,then. Until then, keep it as it is.

vijuvarghese · 14th March 2009, 22:44

GTO - my car is already Bangalore registered, was KL, got it re-registered in KA 2years back by paying high amout of tax.

nitrous - is it going to be only FIP that would need an overhaul? please clarify.

mithun · 16th March 2009, 16:58

Don't worry too much since you've already changed to KA regn. The dumb cops at BLR are only interested in that.

Sometimes they will create problems when you are going to re-register your vehicle after 15 years.

vijuvarghese · 16th March 2009, 22:09

mithun - you are absolutely right about BLR cops and RTO staff. They expect me to pay almost the same amount of tax as one would have to pay for a new vehicle for my 12yr old vehicle is another story.

But I really want to reduce emissions of my car, that's why I need BHPians help!

ilangop · 18th March 2009, 13:32

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Originally Posted by vijuvarghese

The same 483 DL engine in a Tata TL and Sumo Victa are BS 3 compliant. Therefore I feel it should not be too difficult and expensive to convert my Sierra Turbo to meet BS 3, atleast.

Please let me know how I can achieve this - parts that need to change, cost, etc.

I look forward to valuable suggestions by esteemed members.

Warm regards,
Viju

Other than overhauling the engine, cleaning / replacing fuel pump and injectors;installating the following should help you out reducing the emission norms. EGR (Exhaust Gas recirculation) device + controller; Glow-plug timer controller, Replacing the catalytic converter, and may be particulate filter (if you could find one). The EGR device helps you reduce the NO contents in the exhaust. An urea-injector is a topic being commonly talked about for Euro-4/5. The thing is you wont find one in India, and even with urea injection you would need a CRDI system for more accurate control of emissions.
In my opinion BS-3 is the best you could achive with the existing engine. Have you got a turbo in your Sierra??

vijuvarghese · 22nd March 2009, 00:02

ilangop,
Thanks for the suggestions. My Sierra has the original KKK turbo unit. I just got it serviced it. Would need a replacemement shortly.

Which EGR is suitable for Sierra Turbo? Will it need too much of a modification?

Do you have any idea if Tata 483 DL Turbo engines in TL and Sumo Victa is already having this?

Awaiting your reply.

ilangop · 30th March 2009, 16:50

Will check and let you know in a day or two

14th March 2009, 12:03	#1
vijuvarghese BHPian Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Bangalore Posts: 101 Thanked: 9 Times	Converting Tata Sierra Turbo to current emission standards I need suggestions for converting my 1997-Dec model Sierra Turbo to meet the stricter emission standards being planned next year (BS 4/ Euro 4?). The car has had engine overhaul, done 33K kms since and I have changed/repaired all components except gearbox and differential. All four suspensions are on Bilsteins shock absorbers (has been the costliest single part of all repairs) and therfore please do not suggest that I change the engine and GB rightaway. This is my fourth car and had decided to keep the car as long as I could and is also my daily commute car. All of us in the family including our Bullmastiff travel to Kerala from Bangalore every quarter. The same 483 DL engine in a Tata TL and Sumo Victa are BS 3 compliant. Therefore I feel it should not be too difficult and expensive to convert my Sierra Turbo to meet BS 3, atleast. Please let me know how I can achieve this - parts that need to change, cost, etc. I look forward to valuable suggestions by esteemed members. Warm regards, Viju Attached Thumbnails
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14th March 2009, 12:27	#2
frankmehta Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Mumbai Posts: 4,000 Thanked: 3,577 Times View My Garage	why do you want to convert it to match euro standards? i agree its a good gesture on your behalf but you will end up spending a lot of cash on it. what is the primary reason that you want to change to euro IV?
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14th March 2009, 12:39	#3
vijuvarghese BHPian Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Bangalore Posts: 101 Thanked: 9 Times	The primary reason to convert to new norms is to meet regulations. If I remember correctly, it was mentioned in papers a few weeks ago that even older vehicles will have to comply with newer standards for emissions going forward. The other is of course to reduce pollution that I cause to the environment. I feel guilty when I have to rev hard and there are 2 WH riders behind me in city traffic.
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14th March 2009, 15:19	#4
GTO Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Bombay Posts: 70,546 Thanked: 300,766 Times View My Garage	I don't think it affects cars already on the road. But if it does, then simply register your Sierra to the RTO of a smaller town where Bharat Stage IV is not enforced.
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nitrous Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2004 Location: UAE/Lon/Madras Posts: 6,965 Thanked: 325 Times View My Garage	In 2012, your sierra will need to undergo a Fitness certification which will include an smoke analyser test. You will need to overhaul your sierra's Fuel Injection pump,then. Until then, keep it as it is.
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14th March 2009, 22:44	#6
vijuvarghese BHPian Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Bangalore Posts: 101 Thanked: 9 Times	GTO - my car is already Bangalore registered, was KL, got it re-registered in KA 2years back by paying high amout of tax. nitrous - is it going to be only FIP that would need an overhaul? please clarify.
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16th March 2009, 16:58	#7
mithun BANNED Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Cochin Posts: 2,195 Thanked: 268 Times	Don't worry too much since you've already changed to KA regn. The dumb cops at BLR are only interested in that. Sometimes they will create problems when you are going to re-register your vehicle after 15 years.
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16th March 2009, 22:09	#8
vijuvarghese BHPian Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Bangalore Posts: 101 Thanked: 9 Times	mithun - you are absolutely right about BLR cops and RTO staff. They expect me to pay almost the same amount of tax as one would have to pay for a new vehicle for my 12yr old vehicle is another story. But I really want to reduce emissions of my car, that's why I need BHPians help!
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22nd March 2009, 00:02	#10
vijuvarghese BHPian Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Bangalore Posts: 101 Thanked: 9 Times	ilangop, Thanks for the suggestions. My Sierra has the original KKK turbo unit. I just got it serviced it. Would need a replacemement shortly. Which EGR is suitable for Sierra Turbo? Will it need too much of a modification? Do you have any idea if Tata 483 DL Turbo engines in TL and Sumo Victa is already having this? Awaiting your reply.
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30th March 2009, 16:50	#11
ilangop BHPian Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Chennai Posts: 992 Thanked: 903 Times View My Garage	Will check and let you know in a day or two
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