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Old 13th January 2019, 10:56   #1
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Hey Guys,

Just got this from a fellow enthusiast via WhatsApp, yet to verify its authenticity.

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Do share any info you have on the same.

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Hey Guys,

Just got this from a fellow enthusiast via WhatsApp, yet to verify its authenticity.

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Do share any info you have on the same.

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Maybe transfer or re registrations will be affected. You can't stop people who own it from riding them.
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Old 13th January 2019, 11:51   #3
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Two stroke engines went out of production in first world countries in year 2007- 2008

later in year 2010 India decided to throw them out of production as National Green Tribunal has indeed taken steps to contain air pollution.

As government's (Environment and Ecology) departments report to NGT

Two-stroke engines are far more polluting, consume more fuel and an estimated 30 per cent of the exhaust fume is un-burnt fuel.

As a result all regional transport department had stopped registration of new two-stroke vehicles since 2010

Few years back various RTO's have decided to stop re-registration of 15-year-old two stroke vehicles as they tend to process fuel inefficiently, leading to higher pollution.

Government has implemented sufficient measures and steps to control air pollution, and have given directions to transport, police, civic authorities on ways to reduce pollution by banning of two-stroke vehicles as well as prohibiting vehicles older than 15 years to ply in the city.

Arguments were put that banning 15 years old two-stroke vehicles which are primarily auto-rickshaws, and older motorcycles and scooters was not necessary as they will eventually fade out.

So instead of banning various state Transport Department came forward providing subsidy to scrap old two-stroke autos for newer four-stroke ones or opt for an alternate CNG conversation

Which in turn helping slowly phasing out lakh's of two-stroke polluting engines Yearly.

Proposal had been taken to the Supreme Court and case running under filed petition ďTo ban older two-stroke and diesel vehicles amendment to the federal Motor Vehicles Act.Ē however bug stops at Union government to mandate it.

Source - https://www.quora.com/Are-2-stroke-b...anned-in-India
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All Jawa Yezdi clubs across the nation are up in arms due to this rumour, its almost hilarious. However there have been no official statements from anywhere, except for this image. The wording in the statement is quite vague as well and I am 100% sure it is an inside joke gone viral.
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Almost all auto rickshaws are still two strokes. What about them? New ones are added every day. Almost all of them are poorly maintained, belching smoke all over the road.
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Almost all auto rickshaws are still two strokes. What about them? New ones are added every day. Almost all of them are poorly maintained, belching smoke all over the road.
The new Bajaj and TVS auto's are all 4 stroke.
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The new Bajaj and TVS auto's are all 4 stroke.
Visit the below page, go to bottom & click the Compact 2 Stroke button

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Source - https://www.bajajauto.com/intracityv...e-compact.html

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Do share any info you have on the same
This might be his source of info - https://www.rushlane.com/yamaha-rx10...-12293285.html

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This is a rumour and the rumormonger is not aware that the RTO has no authority whatsoever to ban any class of motor vehicles just for the heck of it. Under the M.V. Act it is the central government which only has the power to decide the life of a motor vehicle.

The court rulings are a different matter, where under Article 21 of the Constitution the "right to life" can be invoked in any case to ban any class of motor vehicle which is polluting the air, that endangers the lives of the population. As the Constitution is supreme any other Act or a section or subsection of any Act can be struck down by a competent court, if it not in consonance with the Constitution. The recent NGT/ SC rulings for NCR with respect to 10 and 15 year old motor vehicles are a case in point, where the courts have stepped in, into the domain of the central government to decide the life of such motor vehicles in the NCR.

Even in case of the NCR, the status of two wheelers is untouched. The ban on 10/15 year motor vehicles or older applies only on three, four wheelers and heavier categories.

At this moment of time, no one will touch two wheelers even with a barge pole. This is an election year moreover. In the bureaucracy and judiciary it is understood that a majority of the older two wheelers are owned by the lower and lower middle classes of the society and it is rightly so. These include daily wage workers and most of the poor urban and rural folk for many of whom, the two wheeler is also their mode of sustainence.
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Man! This is getting scarier by the hour. I have two of them, a 67 model Jawa and 91 model TVS Supra Power Up. I just can't let go of them , ban or no ban.

What does this mean. Are they going to confiscate your bike?. This is bike demonetization :

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Visit the below page, go to bottom & click the Compact 2 Stroke button
I had gone through webpage of the Bajaj auto, they still have two stroke option. Do auto-rickshaw drivers still buy two stroke engine?

Currently, Bajaj is unchallenged market leader in the three wheeler segment.
I tried to find out concrete data with respect to stroke and couldn't find one. Could anyone please share this data? They have only sales numbers with respect to OEM.

In Gujarat, I have seen new auto-rickshaws with mostly four stroke badge. TVS is also picking up in this segment with four stroke engine.
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91 model tvs supra power up.


An ownership thread for the Supra would be dope.

Sorry for going off-road but I just couldn't resist.
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Quoting the article from Rushlane:
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Yamaha RX100, Jawa, Yezdi 2 stroke to be banned from 1st April 2019?

RTO has issued notice to ban all two stroke motorcycles in scooters from 1st April 2019.

By Staff Writer on January 13, 2019
Thereís been a number of discussions regarding 2-stroke engines these last couple of years but nothing has guaranteed their total departure. And while manufacturers adapted, there are still a considerable number of two wheelers and rickshaws which have 2 stroke engines and are plying on public roads.


For example, Bangalore alone has more than 60,000 rickshaws which are powered by 2 stroke engine. Even more is the number of two stroke two wheelers in the market today. This 2 stroke vehicle population cumulatively cause an adverse effect on the pollution.

As per a report submitted by Switzerland based Paul Scherrer Institute, two stroke powered vehicles, though less powerful, emit a lot of harmful gasses. Even though these are very small in size, their emission level of harmful carbons is even higher than those emitted by trucks or cars.


Even though the same has been banned in many countries, including India; our country has one of the highest population of two stroke vehicles in the world. So what is the reason for India to still have a huge population of 2 stroke motorcycles, scooters, mopeds and rickshaws?


A bit of this stuck in the dinosaurís age situation has come into being because of suggested remedies which arenít being implemented. Itís been over three years since the need to do away with 2-stroke rickshaws, motorcycles, scooters, has been discussed more feverishly, but even that hasnít resulted in relief.

Banning 2 stroke rickshaws has never been an easy job. But, it seems that finally 2 stoke motorcycles are finally getting banned in India from 1st April 2019, as per a circular by RTO. As per the circular, all motorcycles and scooters, including the likes of Yamaha RX100 / RX135 / RX-Z, Kinetic Honda, Kinetic Bajaj Enduro, Bajaj Chetak, Suzuki Shogun / Shaolin, Suzuki Max 100R, Yezdi Roadking 250 / 350, etc will be banned from 1st April 2019.



It is not clear as to what this means. Does it mean that plying of such two stroke powered scooters and motorcycles is banned? Or does it mean that RTO will no longer renew their registration certificates? In either case, it is bad news for those who are owners of two stroke machines.

Speaking about the 2 stroke rickshaws, it will not be an easy task to ban them. They play an essential role in last minute connectivity considering poorly developed bus routes and irregularity, coupled with not feeling safe to walk home has made dependency on rickshaws a ubiquitous practice.

It has been suggested a blanket ban on 2-stroke auto rickshaws isnít going to be enough to limit carbon dioxide, and particulate matter omissions. Nitrous oxide pollutants too wouldnít reduce significantly. To expect any reduction in pollutant levels, while doing away with 2-stroke engines, itís necessary to convert a sizeable number of 4-stroke autos to electric rickshaws.

The initial relief package announced by the government revolved around a subsidy of Rs 30,000 to buy a four-stroke autorickshaw when giving up a two stroke. While registration of two-stroke autos was stopped in 2005, the older autos continue to operate. Rs 30 crore was allocated in the FY 2017-18 budget to offer subsidy to two-stroke auto owners who were going to buy a four-stroke LPG auto/electric rickshaw.

Drivers need to submit a RC cancellation letter and their two-stroke auto to a government-authorised scrap centre. Once the scrap certificate is issued, the subsidy amount of Rs 30,000 would be transferred to the driverís bank account to purchase a new four-stroke auto or electric auto.

However, the relief isnít viewed as adequate by auto drivers as a new vehicle would cost about Rs 1.75 lakh. The ban on 2-stroke auto rickshaws seems to be a flip-flopping matter as it was recently directed that their fitness certificates be renewed till March 31, 2020. This when they came under the purview of a ban that came into effect on April 1, 2018.
Source: https://www.rushlane.com/amp/yamaha-...-12293285.html
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Visit the below page, go to bottom & click the Compact 2 Stroke button

This might be his source of info - https://www.rushlane.com/yamaha-rx10...-12293285.html
But they have a 4 stroke model as well, also listed on the same page.
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Does the regulation also cover other classes of vehicles like construction, off-road heavy vehicles, military trucks?

All Tatra trucks in India including those used by the army are 2-Stroke diesels.

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Does the regulation also cover other classes of vehicles like construction, off-road heavy vehicles, military trucks?

All Tatra trucks in India including those used by the army are 2-Stroke diesels.
Dude, where you get this information from. Can you please quote your source, I would like to learn.

By the way have you seen any 2 stroke diesel engine.

As for bajaj auto the 2 stroke version is just on their website to don't sell it in India. But to neighbouring country Bangladesh.

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