[KPR]

There is a saying. If it is good, do it immediately. I think on 09.02.2023, few Chandigarh guys have done something good which they will enjoy for next 15 years.

[Turbanator]

Most of the Two wheelers are run very little, so electric makes complete sense. Even if someone doesn’t have charging infrastructure at home, there are a lot of options now including battery swap. It’s a step in right direction though they could have announced about cap much earlier (maybe it was in the policy but not highlighted).

Regarding, existing inventories, Yes everything should be doable after 1st April. It’s already mid February so won’t pinch most dealers. Sort of warning of times to come.

I expect more cities including Delhi to follow this soon.

Here are some more details

https://www.hindustantimes.com/citie...92896-amp.html

[rish_arora]

They announced the EV policy back in September 2022. The policy states that they will be reducing the number of ICE vehicles registrations year-on-year using previous registration data.



As per the above table Year1 is FY22-23. So by FY 24-25, there will be no ICE 2Wheelers registrations in Chandigarh.

INHO, the policy only looks good on paper. On ground level, I don't think it is going to have much impact on pollution and parking woes in the city.

[subincb]

I am not sure how ev is going to reduce pollution in a country where 75% electricity is produced by burning coal. I am sure ICE engines with BS6 norms will be producing lower emissions than coal fired thermal plants producing electricity, then converting it to chemical energy and at last mechanical energy. If we cut down coal plants itself pollution will reduce big time.

[giri1.8]

Looks like freedom of choice is a hard to understand concept for people these days. I will consider getting an electric scooter for grocery runs when it's time to replace the petrol one we have, but that is by choice.

-Not everyone has the infrastructure to charge their EV, plenty of people in the lower middle class don't even have a private parking space.

-Public fast charging is expensive, if used everyday, defeats the idea of low running cost advantage.

-Very little options for electric motorcycle, let alone good ones.

-Low cost EV from unknown brands have poor quality and unknown reliability, on the other hand one can get an TVS XL and use it for a decade without any major issues.

2 wheelers are probably one of the least polluting mode of private transport after bicycles. Guy riding a 200cc motorcycle to office is much less taxing to the environment than someone driving an performance EV, when you factor in the emissions during the manufacturing phase.

Simple solution would be to let the EVs mature more and prove themselves to the doubters, no one will reject something that benefits them.

[fhdowntheline]

On the other hand, construction dust is making the pollution levels off the charts in all of urban and most rural India. The amount of digging, quarrying and carving being done out of hills and mountains in such a rapacious manner is frightening. Penalizing the ordinary consumer to get brownie points on the international stage is not a good policy.

[Asoon]

Sometimes knee-jerk actions are required to shift behaviour of masses and it is inconvenient now but I believe in the longer run (5-10 year) we will not regret this.

Demonetisation pushed digital payments which if implemented via standard approaches (incentivization / media campaigns) would have taken over a decade to reach what we achieved in couple of years.

Infra requirements are not that critical for two wheelers, range offered is adequate and charging is possible at home. However, availability/ supply & pricing will be prime challenges. I do not think EV manufacturing/ inventory levels are ready for this kind of demand and the Cheapest EV (proper) OLA air is 10K higher then Activa base model

[sri_tesla]

Originally Posted by subincb

I am not sure how ev is going to reduce pollution in a country where 75% electricity is produced by burning coal. I am sure ICE engines with BS6 norms will be producing lower emissions than coal fired thermal plants producing electricity, then converting it to chemical energy and at last mechanical energy. If we cut down coal plants itself pollution will reduce big time.

Even when EVs are 100% powered by coal power, EVs pollute lesser than ICE vehicles. This was posted with links in different EV-related threads multiple times by me and others with links to such studies.

Now, coming to coal and renewable (solar, wind, hydro) power capacity in India, for the last 5 years (since 2018) majority of the new power generation capacity is renewable. In FY23, 101% of our power capacity addition is from renewables. The reason why its more than 100% is that there was 1 coal power plant that was closed down last year. There were many such closures in the last few years of old thermal plants. Coal is not financially feasible anymore. It's now cheaper to build new solar or wind plants than to operate the already-built coal power plants. This has been the case for the last few years. All the future capacity addition will be mostly from renewable sources. So, all the future electricity demand due to EVs or other natural electricity demands will be met solely by newly added renewable capacity. So, in reality, the EVs will be many times cleaner than the ICE vehicles.

India's new capacity is entirely made up of renewables (solar and wind):



The thermal (coal and gas) capacity is stuck at the same level for the last 4-5 years. The total capacity of coal power share is decreasing for a few years now due to the rapid increase of solar and wind power. As per the latest data, it's now made up of less than 50% capacity. Actual generation from coal is still high as it has a high plant load factor, but there is no new extra generation or capacity.

Originally Posted by Asoon

Infra requirements are not that critical for two wheelers, range offered is adequate and charging is possible at home. However, availability/ supply & pricing will be prime challenges. I do not think EV manufacturing/ inventory levels are ready for this kind of demand and the Cheapest EV (proper) OLA air is 10K higher then Activa base model

I think we are getting there regarding the manufacturing and supply of models. Ola and Ather already have more than enough production now. TVS increasing the production of iQube rapidly. What we need are multiple electric bikes. Hopefully, Ola comes out with their bikes quickly. Also, Activa on road price matches with base Ola S1 air as there is no road tax for S1 Air in most of the states. In addition, running costs (electricity vs petrol) for S1 air will be 1/10th of Activa.

[Gansan]

Originally Posted by sri_tesla

Even when EVs are 100% powered by coal power, EVs pollute lesser than ICE vehicles.

It is a no brainer. The extra pollution caused by power stations,located far away, burning extra fuel to charge an additional 100k EV cars will be marginal when compared to 100k ICE cars burning petrol/diesel right on our city roads.

[GeeTee TSI]

Sitting ducks, the Indian middle class tax payer
Try putting a blanket ban on stubble burning!

Let it also be known that there's only a handful of reputed two wheeler EV manufacturers (even models) to choose from.

[sids1811]

IMHO the discussion is getting carried away towards EV vs ICE for which we have multiple threads. The main point is that these kind of decisions are going to be the norm in some time as and when EC gets more acceptance. Brace for the day when instead of offering a rebate on EV registration, we will be asked to pay a penal higher tax on ICE. RTO taxes are a major revenue source of states, this is bound to happen.

[SKC-auto]

Ban it and see the human resilience, within a month all apartments will install chargers, all malls will be charging ready, all hotels and offices are charging ready.

[abtyagi]

Originally Posted by Turbanator

Most of the Two wheelers are run very little, so electric makes complete sense. Even if someone doesn’t have charging infrastructure at home, there ar

I'm curious about what will happen to large-capacity motorcycles and their respective dealers. Especially RE, Triumph, Kawasaki, BMW and the newly launched Ducati in Chandigarh?

[avira_tk]

Originally Posted by sids1811

IMHO the discussion is getting carried away towards EV vs ICE for which we have multiple threads. The main point is that these kind of decisions are going to be the norm in some time as and when EC gets more acceptance. Brace for the day when instead of offering a rebate on EV registration, we will be asked to pay a penal higher tax on ICE. RTO taxes are a major revenue source of states, this is bound to happen.

Brace for the day when we'll end up paying exactly the same cost for EV as for ICE. The savings are just bait, once you get the majority electric, every lost paisa in taxes will be recouped. The cashless technology is a set up for the same, look up 15 minute cities to understand what an open air prison looks like.

[FrozeninTime]

Government policy in long term is not only reduce pollution but reduce vehicle ownership in general so to push people towards public transport usage. Less personal vehicles means less traffic, more money to government.

Since most of civil servants and politicians go to Europe and Singapore to study about traffic management, education such ideas percolate from these countries.