Was there a Suzuki Samurai bike? (Not Ind or TVS make)

anujmishra · 13th February 2009, 13:49

Suzuki has Copyright for brand name Samurai (Samurai beware

). So it is their choice how to name their product with their registered name. They knew that Suzuki Samurai 4X4 will be never going to launch in India with same name so they named it Gypsy.

These auto companies are known for name & rename their different products with same name. Hyundai Accent is known in India but Hyundai Accent is the name of Verna in South Korea. We have two different vehicles with name Accent and Verna.

Spitfire · 13th February 2009, 14:08

Whats in a name anyways?

Someone said this but i cant remember his name.

Samurai · 13th February 2009, 14:35

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Originally Posted by gowda79

I guess you need to turn the book of history in the bikes, i do not think just an executive can take a decision to name the bike SUZUKI SAMURAI

Trust me, such things are always executive decisions. When I say executive I mean as in top/senior management executive, not sales executive.

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Originally Posted by gowda79

I do not think Suzuki has gone mad to not to sue the person who has made this mistake to name the vehicle if it was without the concern of the officials in Suzuki.

Since India market was not exposed to the global brand Samurai, they may have ignored it.

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Originally Posted by gowda79

I guess this should sort out your doubts.

Yes, my doubt is solved. It is a TVS-Suzuki bike which didn't use the TVS prefix for a brief period for some unknown reason.

PS: My Grand Vitara can be called a pure Suzuki vehicle since it is CBU import from Suzuki. Yet we call it Maruti GV, which is fine with me.

Technocrat · 13th February 2009, 14:42

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Yes, my doubt is solved. It is a TVS-Suzuki bike which didn't use the TVS prefix for a brief period for some unknown reason.

Actually Once they started putting only Suzuki they never branded any of the (Suzuki)Bikes as TVS & later they were only TVS no Suzuki.

The F2 I believe was a TVS Fiero though.

finneyp · 13th February 2009, 14:43

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I guess you would have seen the advertisement of the Japanese guy saying the favourite line - Suzuki Samurai the bike with no problem.

Actually, the punchline was: Suzuki Samurai, the no problem bike!

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Originally Posted by Samurai

It is a TVS-Suzuki bike which didn't use the TVS prefix for a brief period for some unknown reason.

Samurai, the company was called TVS Suzuki Ltd that time, and the bikes were branded as 'Suzuki Samurai', 'Suzuki Shogun', 'Suzuki Shaolin' etc.

After the collaboration with Suzuki ended, the company was named TVS Motors Ltd, and bikes were branded 'TVS xxxx'.

Spitfire · 13th February 2009, 14:51

The decals might say anything. What does it say on the RC under model?

TVS Suzuki or Suzuki only?

esteem_lover · 13th February 2009, 14:53

The company started off with Ind-Suzuki bike, then changed to TVS-Suzuki AX100 and then brought out the Samurai, Shogun & Shaolin in just the Suzuki name. At that time the TVS-Suzuki AX100 was also available, IIRC.

Samurai · 13th February 2009, 14:57

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Originally Posted by finneyp

Actually, the punchline was: Suzuki Samurai, the no problem bike!

I was not in India between 1998-2004, so I must have missed it.

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Originally Posted by finneyp

Samurai, the company was called TVS Suzuki Ltd that time, and the bikes were branded as 'Suzuki Samurai', 'Suzuki Shogun', 'Suzuki Shaolin' etc.

Actually the last one is funny. I remember thinking long back about Suzuki Shaolin, a chinese name for a Japanese collaboration bike in India.

Did they really check with the Japanese, it appears they picked it because it sounds oriental.

Jaggu · 13th February 2009, 15:02

Ind suzuki when launched turned Tvs suzuki, then suzuki shaolin, samurai, shogun and max. then came 4 strokes. My elder bro had one of the first ind suzukis launched in the country which i inherited later on.

gowda79 · 13th February 2009, 15:21

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Originally Posted by Samurai

Trust me, such things are always executive decisions. When I say executive I mean as in top/senior management executive, not sales executive.

Since India market was not exposed to the global brand Samurai, they may have ignored it.

Don't say me that they were not exposed to the global brand.

As they were exposed to the global market they colloborated with Suzuki

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Originally Posted by Samurai

PS: My Grand Vitara can be called a pure Suzuki vehicle since it is CBU import from Suzuki. Yet we call it Maruti GV, which is fine with me.

This is b'cos the Suzuki has collobrated with Maruti in India and they are authorised to sell and service the vehicle in India.

Samurai · 13th February 2009, 16:21

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Originally Posted by gowda79

Don't say me that they were not exposed to the global brand.

As they were exposed to the global market they colloborated with Suzuki

That doesn't automatically mean they are exposed. Most members here including myself didn't know about the global Suzuki Samurai until joining Team-BHP.

gowda79 · 13th February 2009, 16:32

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Originally Posted by Samurai

That doesn't automatically mean they are exposed. Most members here including myself didn't know about the global Suzuki Samurai until joining Team-BHP.

If you would be working in Suzuki then you would be made some research to know about the brands you sell and manufacture.

Samurai sir there i no offence and this is simply being dragged after it has cleared the Air that Suzuki Samurai was present.

Samurai · 13th February 2009, 16:58

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Originally Posted by gowda79

If you would be working in Suzuki then you would be made some research to know about the brands you sell and manufacture.

You think so? I have worked for years in different global product companies, and we barely knew what other departments did in the same building, let alone in other countries. Therefore I wouldn't automatically assume anything about their global exposure, that too when they made up a name like Suzuki Shaolin.

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Originally Posted by gowda79

Samurai sir there i no offence and this is simply being dragged after it has cleared the Air that Suzuki Samurai was present.

If you think this is being dragged, you can stop any time.

gowda79 · 13th February 2009, 17:10

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Originally Posted by Samurai

You think so? I have worked for years in different global product companies, and we barely knew what other departments did in the same building, let alone in other countries. Therefore I wouldn't automatically assume anything about their global exposure, that too when they made up a name like Suzuki Shaolin.

That's there wish to name the vehicle, as in this forum many of them have kept names which they feel is better for them.

If you want to continue it you can and if it is objective then surely i will be there to oppose

hrag · 13th February 2009, 17:14

So when did the Jimny become the Vitara / Grand Vitara? Is the (global) Samurai the same as the Vitara elsewhere?

I've mostly been exposed to the Chennai sun.

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anujmishra Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Bangalore Posts: 1,290 Thanked: 492 Times View My Garage	Suzuki has Copyright for brand name Samurai (Samurai beware ). So it is their choice how to name their product with their registered name. They knew that Suzuki Samurai 4X4 will be never going to launch in India with same name so they named it Gypsy. These auto companies are known for name & rename their different products with same name. Hyundai Accent is known in India but Hyundai Accent is the name of Verna in South Korea. We have two different vehicles with name Accent and Verna.
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Spitfire BANNED Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Panaji - Goa/Bangalore - Karnataka Posts: 3,312 Thanked: 774 Times	The decals might say anything. What does it say on the RC under model? TVS Suzuki or Suzuki only?
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esteem_lover Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Madras/Py Posts: 7,556 Thanked: 502 Times View My Garage	The company started off with Ind-Suzuki bike, then changed to TVS-Suzuki AX100 and then brought out the Samurai, Shogun & Shaolin in just the Suzuki name. At that time the TVS-Suzuki AX100 was also available, IIRC.
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Jaggu Team-BHP Support Join Date: May 2004 Location: Bangalore Posts: 20,215 Thanked: 15,908 Times	Ind suzuki when launched turned Tvs suzuki, then suzuki shaolin, samurai, shogun and max. then came 4 strokes. My elder bro had one of the first ind suzukis launched in the country which i inherited later on.
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hrag BANNED Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Bangalore / Madras Posts: 1,982 Thanked: 31 Times	So when did the Jimny become the Vitara / Grand Vitara? Is the (global) Samurai the same as the Vitara elsewhere? I've mostly been exposed to the Chennai sun. Last edited by hrag : 13th February 2009 at 17:26.
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