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Old 27th November 2018, 18:52   #61
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Has anyone got any information on the crash worthiness of TUV300 and TUV 300 Plus? Or is this something which is not a criteria for vehicles in this segment ?
In India , manufacturers have been able to just put some metal on wheels and sell these with impunity and there are more than enough takers in the market who buy without considering the safety of the build . Even the Scorpio, for all the beast that it is never broke into the US market due to its poor crash worthiness
If an Indian made vehicle is tested to EU NCAP standards and passes it, any manufacturer will put an ad campaign around it and even a large sticker if possible. So unless you see them, do not believe any news reports - it could be for export models etc.

Our country`s transport rules are framed after the realities in here, which is that a quadricycle is safer than a two wheeler. Safety cannot be looked at from only crashing into concrete at 60mph, its more complicated than that.

Making a rule that only cars with 5 star current EU-NCAP safety rating can run on the roads will ensure that the cheapest car will cost above 10L.

Realities of our country matter : A few years back, I get down from the bus and walk towards my home in one of the most expensive and considered safe neighborhoods of Bangalore , someone attacks me to steal my laptop. If I had any box on wheels , it would have been just another day. So I bought a Nano. Safe? Hell yeah.

Slowly we will also catch up with international regulations, 10 years back Airbags & ABS were only found in premium cars - Now even entry level hatch backs have them.
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If an Indian made vehicle is tested to EU NCAP standards and passes it, any manufacturer will put an ad campaign around it and even a large sticker if possible. So unless you see them, do not believe any news reports - it could be for export models etc.

Our country`s transport rules are framed after the realities in here, which is that a quadricycle is safer than a two wheeler. Safety cannot be looked at from only crashing into concrete at 60mph, its more complicated than that.

Making a rule that only cars with 5 star current EU-NCAP safety rating can run on the roads will ensure that the cheapest car will cost above 10L.

Realities of our country matter : A few years back, I get down from the bus and walk towards my home in one of the most expensive and considered safe neighborhoods of Bangalore , someone attacks me to steal my laptop. If I had any box on wheels , it would have been just another day. So I bought a Nano. Safe? Hell yeah.

Slowly we will also catch up with international regulations, 10 years back Airbags & ABS were only found in premium cars - Now even entry level hatch backs have them.
Hi Kosfactor, sorry you got it all wrong, I'm talking about build safety, and there is a reason why crash tests are done and it is not because people are crazy to drive into concrete blocks !! We in this country take safety of any kind very lightly and a mishap is something that can happen only to the other guy. Atleast the industry needs to ensure they have vehicles with basic structural safety, which many of the vehicles sold today are lacking , putting airbags into a structurally weak body, just means that mortality by suffocation could be one more factor in the unfortunate event of a crash. What you say sounds to me akin to
Why do I need a helmet when I'm going to the grocery shop in the next street on my bike, or I'm only going on a short drive close to my hose so why should I not have my child sitting on my lap when I drive? It is always better to be safe than be sorry...
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Why do I need a helmet when I'm going to the grocery shop in the next street on my bike, or I'm only going on a short drive close to my hose so why should I not have my child sitting on my lap when I drive? It is always better to be safe than be sorry...
I have not spoken about anything to this effect Sir. What I said was that safety cannot be looked at from only a crash test point of view.

Making cars unaffordable makes travel unsafe for millions.

OT: Unaffordable or unavailability of public transportation as well have the same effect.
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Hi Kosfactor, sorry you got it all wrong,
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Making cars unaffordable makes travel unsafe for millions.

OT: Unaffordable or unavailability of public transportation as well have the same effect.
I totally agree with Kosfactor here. Remember what Ratan Tata used to say during the heady days of the Nano's launch?

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On a rainy day in November 2003, Tata Sons Chairman Ratan Tata noticed a family of four on a scooter - the father driving it with a young kid standing in the front, behind the handlebars and wife sitting behind him with another child on her lap.

Ratan Tata was moved by this incident and asked himself whether one could conceive of a safe, affordable, all weather form of transport for such a family.
Source: https://www.businesstoday.in/current...ry/239035.html

I concur that safety is a relative aspect. Instead of rural buyers of the relatively unsafe Bolero carrying 8-9 people around, you'll have the relatively safer TUV 300 Plus lugging that many people around.
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Remember what Ratan Tata used to say during the heady days of the Nano's launch?
Yes, there was an ad about it as well.
I was a beneficiary of that man`s generosity. I do not think they made any money out of that incredible car.
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I haven't seen a single TUV300 Plus on Road in Bangalore yet. Was wondering what is happening.
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I haven't seen a single TUV300 Plus on Road in Bangalore yet. Was wondering what is happening.
I saw one parked in Hosur and one more on the Hosur to Chennai stretch, this past Sunday. Coupled with my own past sightings (I met a guy who'd proudly booked one in the outskirts of Chennai and I saw one parked inside Chennai), I'd say that the TUV 300 Plus only has takers outside of cities for the most part. Of course, you'd need to leave out nuts like me who love such beasts, city-dweller or not!
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I saw one parked in Hosur and one more on the Hosur to Chennai stretch, this past Sunday. Coupled with my own past sightings (I met a guy who'd proudly booked one in the outskirts of Chennai and I saw one parked inside Chennai), I'd say that the TUV 300 Plus only has takers outside of cities for the most part. Of course, you'd need to leave out nuts like me who love such beasts, city-dweller or not!
Add me that nuts-like-me list locusjag! But on a more serious note, I find it a little baffling. Here in Lucknow - and specially in my neighborhood - the place has a healthy population of TUV300-s, but I have not yet seen 300 Plus here.

Perhaps nut-case maybe right - something gravely wrong with me for loving this perfectly gorgeous creature! No matter, it still remains on top of that bucket list.
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If an Indian made vehicle is tested to EU NCAP standards and passes it, any manufacturer will put an ad campaign around it and even a large sticker if possible. So unless you see them, do not believe any news reports - it could be for export models etc....
I found it very satisfying that both the Marazzo & the Harrier did very well recently in the Global NCAP ratings.
However I'll still reserve my opinion about "safe" cars. Until mfrs design cars from scratch (like Volvo) with safety as a priority, just adding airbags & isofix children's seats to get around safety regulations will remain just that - a palliative to soothe the nerves of the buying public, without the structural safety needed to save lives in the event of a shunt.
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I found it very satisfying that both the Marazzo & the Harrier did very well recently in the Global NCAP ratings.
However I'll still reserve my opinion about "safe" cars. Until mfrs design cars from scratch (like Volvo) with safety as a priority, just adding airbags & isofix children's seats to get around safety regulations will remain just that - a palliative to soothe the nerves of the buying public, without the structural safety needed to save lives in the event of a shunt.
I think you meant Marazzo and Nexon!!
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I think you meant Marazzo and Nexon!!
Oops, Aditya! You are dead right! - my bad!

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