[wheelguy]

Originally Posted by Kashi053

Here is the offroad info on Jimny and Thar. I think Thar Roxx has very good numbers and should do very well. Only the Rampover angle is bad due to longer wheelbase of 2850mm. Still it is comparable to Jimny 5D. Also note that Thar Roxx radiator is placed higher compared to Thar 3D. So another less concern on Roxx over Thar 3D.

Those numbers doesn't make any actual sense to most of the Thar or Roxx buyers because most them are buying it for the looks it brings to the table. Serious off-roaders are minuscule(let's say<5% or even lesser!) compared to the total number of Thar buyers. With added practicality Roxx will definitely sell more than Thar. Also except for the NCR region, the segment is still dominated by diesels, and that too 2 wheel drives only, be it XUV700 or ScorpioN or Thar.

This is where Tata and Mahindra chose 2 different paths, Tata decided based on numbers and decided not to include 4x4 and petrols in the segment, while Mahindra decided based on emotions and chose to provide petrols and 4x4 in the segment. Seems like some number cruncher at Tata won the debate on whether to provide petrol and 4x4 options, while at Mahindra some marketing person might have won the debate.

[iskandariya]

Originally Posted by wheelguy

This is where Tata and Mahindra chose 2 different paths, Tata decided based on numbers and decided not to include 4x4 and petrols in the segment, while Mahindra decided based on emotions and chose to provide petrols and 4x4 in the segment. Seems like some number cruncher at Tata won the debate on whether to provide petrol and 4x4 options, while at Mahindra some marketing person might have won the debate.

4x4 is not only needed by offroaders but adventure traveller's also. AWD is at best a good selling pitch with few exceptions which are genuinely good.

Even I am not one of those who goes every weekend or the other to bash my vehicle for off roading. Apologies if that was rude but that was IMHO. But surely the 4x4 helps when you go alone into jungles or unexplored routes with the family, a fallen tree unexplored paved roads in mud and slush.

I own both Safari and ScorpioN 4xplorer. While Safari is a beast and chugs on the roads like anything without giving the roll or bounce. But I do agree since they had the Tuscon GB what was the issue in adding the Transfer box which is tiny and provide 4wd/AWD, hence it is just a MUV not an SUV. ScorpioN is packaged nicely and I really appreciate Mahindra for giving the option to buy the 4x4.

Given the flexibility to choose is vital. They make you feel thay to an extent we are not yet fully a masses market.

They have done the same with Roxx that option is there even with White interiors. Also Mahindra has a more stable better robust OTA and Silverbox compared to Tata , though backend vendor is same but for some reason Mahindra has got it right compared to Tata.

[rakesh_r]

Originally Posted by iskandariya

4x4 is not only needed by offroaders but adventure traveller's also. AWD is at best a good selling pitch with few exceptions which are genuinely good.

4x4 or an AWD gives you that sense of assurance. You may not require it most of the time but when you do, it feels like god sent. Happened to me and my family at Panchgani. Was travelling through a really narrow road. Had to get down into another road which was a slope to give way for an oncoming vehicle. I tried to reverse my way back to the main road but the tyres failed to grip right before the summit as the road was slippery owing to wet leaves and mud, plus my Gurkha being a RWD vehicle didnt help. All i had to do was engage 4L, leave the clutch, with zero throttle and the car effortlessly climbed out. I have made a conscious decision that henceforth, any car i buy would either be a 4x4 or an AWD, since we travel a lot.
Apologies for going OT and coming back to the topic, I feel Mahindra would never deviate from offering 4x4 or AWD since its in their DNA.
The only grouse i see with the ROXX is the "white" interiors, why Mahindra? Atleast give us an option, something similar to the Scorpio. I would pick the Scorpio N over the Roxx because its a royal pain to maintain a car with white interior.

[Cresterk]

Originally Posted by wheelguy

This is where Tata and Mahindra chose 2 different paths, Tata decided based on numbers and decided not to include 4x4 and petrols in the segment, while Mahindra decided based on emotions and chose to provide petrols and 4x4 in the segment. Seems like some number cruncher at Tata won the debate on whether to provide petrol and 4x4 options, while at Mahindra some marketing person might have won the debate.

Tata’s path is chosen by accountants whereas Mahindra’s seems to be chosen more by engineers. It is evident in the engine/gearbox choices and tuning as well as the way cars from both manufacturers drive.

[sandeepmdas]

Originally Posted by rakesh_r

4x4 or an AWD gives you that sense of assurance. You may not require it most of the time but when you do, it feels like god sent.

My XUV700 is AWD, had to wait for it due to the chip shortage etc. AWD was our top priority since the past experiences with our 10-year old XUV500, which occasionally left us (a family of just 3) stranded in challenging terrain. There were at least three occasions we needed help from good Samaritans to get the car out from literally sticky situations.

Soon we learnt to terrain-check before putting the car out of the tarred surface. This made the incidents few and far between (3 in 10 years) yet we still unanimously elected to go for the pricier AWD, and in addition to peace of mind, we found it rather fun and adventure testing the 700 mild offroad to see whether it will get stuck or not.

There were already two such situations in the past 18 months; 1. a Creta got stuck in slush but we pulled through in Kuttikkanam, a hill station in Kerala and 2. in Morijim beach in Goa where two Innova cars ended up spinning their wheels in sand while we cruised through with Goodyear street tyres.

On both occasions we enjoyed the role reversal immensely by being a part of good Samaritans.

Originally Posted by ferrarirules

Some points like rear seat comfort were not even tested by the teambhp review.

The Team-BHP review was not a comprehensive one and based on just a short drive, as stated by GTO in his post (#5) in this thread. The review will be updated as and when more driving impressions are available.

[C-14]

Originally Posted by sandeepmdas

There were already two such situations in the past 18 months; 2. in Morijim beach in Goa where two Innova cars ended up spinning their wheels in sand while we cruised through with Goodyear street tyres.

It is prohibited and banned to drive on beaches in Goa and Morjim being a turtle nesting site is even more so. My advice when you are a tourist is to please follow the laws set up by the authorities. Such instances are the main reason why locals then tend to harbor hatred toward tourists. Enjoy the place. but do so following all the laws of the place.
Peace

[digitalnirvana]

Originally Posted by Jaggu

Will be putting a more detailed living with Roxxu post soon....

Jaggu and Roxxu sounds like a match made in heaven

[sandeepmdas]

Originally Posted by C-14

It is prohibited and banned to drive on beaches in Goa and Morjim being a turtle nesting site is even more so. My advice when you are a tourist is to please follow the laws set up by the authorities.
Peace

I am fully aware about that, my close relative is with CSIR- NIO. I am also an active member of more than one conservation group although they're not related to marine conservation.

This incident happened between the seaside Southern Cross and a dining place called "antiSOCIAL Goa" (not exactly a seaside one, although sea is visible from most of the tables). The conservation areas are not near this place IIRC. Will look into it once again when I go there next year. I visit Goa every alternate year, and as you said, I sense the change in attitude of the Goans.

Over-tourism is nothing new to me, I fully understand and appreciate your anger. I live in a seaside resort town Kerala, this is my birthplace. Sharing two photos of Varkala beach in my school days and now (taken from net).

[Mr.Independent]

Originally Posted by Kosfactor

Towards the end of this first video you can see Crawl control in action, with demo. Also in the video is Slalom test and high speed drive.

Also note that if you can understand what they are speaking, you will know more about this product than 99% of the Auto journalists in Youtube.

Wish the interview can come in English(if not Hindi) to cater to everyone. So much of info they are sharing, yet it's difficult to comprehend for me.

[Kosfactor]

Originally Posted by Mr.Independent

Wish the interview can come in English(if not Hindi) to cater to everyone. So much of info they are sharing, yet it's difficult to comprehend for me.

There are two sides to this. Slightly OT but related to the same brand at least.

This link (Sony Audio Engineer Interview) has a video interview of the engineer who designed the audio system for XUV7OO. He surely speaks Japanese language and he has to read from a script to explain it to us in English. Imagine how much more information we could have got if he spoke in the language that he was comfortable in.

Sure most of us may not be able to understand Japanese but at least that interview may get translated in future and in turn have a lot more information than this monologue.

The other side of this - Motor Vikatan`s audience is different from Autocar, with the influence of people like Hormazd Autocar can get an entire week with Mahindra if needed, but they are now mainstream and perhaps wont cater to enthusiasts like us who are hungry to know more.

[varunswnt]

Originally Posted by Kosfactor

Motor Vikatan and Motorwagon videos get the best of the technical explanations from Mahindra team, I like the time and effort they put in for this.

Also note that if you can understand what they are speaking, you will know more about this product than 99% of the Auto journalists in Youtube.

This M_GLYDE platform seems to have bigger role to play in upcoming SUVs. There seems to have been significant changes over Scorpio-N chassis and suspension bits.

We TBhpians would appreciate if you could put down this wonderful informational technical explanation video in bullet points . This would help reach wider audience and educate us further more on Thar Roxx's underlying mechanical bits.

[partha379]

I have a question around the intelli-turn assist. I have seen the videos of its demonstration and wondering about the amount of stress it puts on the inner-rear wheel. Mr Velusamy had told in one of the videos that its not just on loose soil, it can/will on normal roads (low speeds only). Given the weight of the vehicle, won't the tires have a tough time when dragged around like this?

OT: I understand Tamil and have seen every video of Mr Velusamy wrt Thar roxx, can try and translate things from the video if any specific questions are there.

[originalamit]

A very interesting video on Thar 3 vs Thar 5 impact. The product positioning as a single vehicle in the family, volume expectations etc..

https://youtu.be/lCsoqveIzrE?si=yPlVdfVaelmcZgvP

[josetom89]

Originally Posted by varunswnt

This M_GLYDE platform seems to have bigger role to play in upcoming SUVs. There seems to have been significant changes over Scorpio-N chassis and suspension bits.

This was exactly my thought after reading in detail about Thar Roxxx. Next Gen/facelift Scorpio N would be something worth waiting for. Unless Mahindra decides it is not worth enough due to the demand for Thar Roxxx.

[kgt.v8]

Originally Posted by josetom89

This was exactly my thought after reading in detail about Thar Roxxx. Next Gen/facelift Scorpio N would be something worth waiting for. Unless Mahindra decides it is not worth enough due to the demand for Thar Roxxx.

Scorpio is a bigger brand than Thar as of now and I believe Mahindra will continue to invest in building Scorpio brand. Previous gen Scorpio is sold along with Scorpio-N and both Scorpio have kept sales register ringing for Mahindra for past 2 years almost. When I travel to norther state I start seeing more Scorpio and Scorpio-N and few 3-door Thars.

What remains to be seen is will Scorpio-N buyers switch to Roxx or Scorpio Classic buyers switch to Roxx.