[asingh1977]

Originally Posted by VRSriram

AX3L advertisement


https://Youtu.be/GlLv_Y2LAxs?si=EbumZ_rJ_JEWSapE

That is showing dark interiors, wow! Mahindra really knows how to create great advertising with awesome BGM. The original CRDe still sounds and looks awesome.

[s2K_scorpioN]

Comprehensive reviews, comparing the ride quality of the Scorpio N and the Thar 5 door, mention the ride quality of the Thar to be vastly superior to that of the Scorpio. It seems they’ve taken care of the wild cabin oscillations one feels once the Scorpio’s suspension became upset, at lower speeds. Most of the steering issues faced with the Scorpio have also been rectified by the looks of it - little to no vibrations, snappier self centering ability and the feedback in general have all been improved upon.
As a Scorpio N owner myself, the ride quality I expected has come one model too late, and that too on a Lifestyle vehicle . The Scorpio’s suspension is tuned as a 7 seater with softer suspension which contributes to this bounciness - one can’t have everything.

[MyGoRa]

Originally Posted by 84.monsoon

In the case of the Thar RoXX the 4WD system is more advanced and offers:

• Electronic Locking Differential
• Brake locking differential
• Selectable Terrain Modes
• Crawl Smart feature to get out of deep sand
• Intelli-turn feature fro sharper turns at low speeds

In the case of the Scorpio N, the price premium for Z8L Diesel Auto 4WD over Diesel Auto 2WD is 1.9 lakhs and it is 2.15 lakhs in the case of the Z8 Diesel Auto 4WD over the equivalent 2WD. Considering the additional features offered in the Thar's 4WD system, I think the price premium is more likely to be around 2.5 lakhs. I would therefore expect the Thar AX7L Diesel 4WD to top out at 22.99 lakhs.

• Both Brake locking differential and Selectable Terrain Modes are standard across the range.
• CrawlSmart and Intelliturn are exclusive to 4X4 AT.

The 2.5 lakhs premium is justified for 4X4 AT variants but for the manual variants it should be kept below 2 lakhs IMHO.

[rakesh_r]

Originally Posted by s2K_scorpioN

The Scorpio’s suspension is tuned as a 7 seater with softer suspension which contributes to this bounciness - one can’t have everything.

My comments based on YouTube videos, DDSRAVI has pointed out how he felt uncomfortable at the end of the trip after driving from Kerala Delhi as his knee kept fouling with the driver side door. Bhpian gsferrari has pointed out the foot well being cramped, less space to comfortably move your right leg. Pretty sure you wont be facing these issues with your N. I still feel the Scorpio N triumphs when it comes to mile munching.

[dhanushs]

Originally Posted by Doge

What is the difference between 'brake locking differential ' vs an off road ESP mode clamping a wheel when it detects slip? I keep seeing this as an offroad feature everywhere but is it just marketing or something different?

The first one (I'm not calling it ESP, since there are an array of features within ESP, infact BLD is also one of them), is more focused towards keeping the vehicle stable, irrespective of driver demand whereas BLD is focused towards generating traction to achieve the driver demand.

[s2K_scorpioN]

Originally Posted by rakesh_r

My comments based on YouTube videos, DDSRAVI has pointed out how he felt uncomfortable at the end of the trip after driving from Kerala Delhi as his knee kept fouling with the driver side door. Bhpian gsferrari has pointed out the foot well being cramped, less space to comfortably move your right leg.

This is true. But DDS is a big guy. The footwell being cramped, the rear bench not being able to fully house 3 adults are definitely real world problems. The seats (front and rear) are also much more comfortable in the Scorpio too, I hear from his review. I also believe the Scorpio will handle bad roads at speed better than the new Thar.

No doubt Scorpio is the mile muncher. I experience almost little to no fatigue in it, even on +8 hrs drives. I have, myself, noticed the Scorpio to be quite planted when making sudden directional changes at speed. No qualms there whatsoever, in it's handling. But you will forget all of this while she tosses you to and fro, seemingly excessive, for what was a small adulation in the road surface.

[originalamit]

Had a curious learning question - Thar ROXX door has selectable Terrain Modes Snow ,Sand, Mud for the RWD variant as well.

How effective is this in real world scenarios for a RWD vehicle? What exactly does a car do in such conditions with just RWD?

[dhanushs]

Originally Posted by originalamit

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How effective is this in real world scenarios for a RWD vehicle? What exactly does a car do in such conditions with just RWD?

There is no replacement for 4x4 hardware. However, in 2WD, for a customer who encounters rough terrain in between his regular on-road journey, can make use these. Basically multiple parameters like your ESP (Stability and Traction), TCU, ECU, SCU and others, are altered to enable better capability in those terrains.

[AdityaDeane]

Originally Posted by originalamit

Had a curious learning question - Thar ROXX door has selectable Terrain Modes Snow ,Sand, Mud for the RWD variant as well.

How effective is this in real world scenarios for a RWD vehicle? What exactly does a car do in such conditions with just RWD?

Originally Posted by dhanushs

There is no replacement for 4x4 hardware. However, in 2WD, for a customer who encounters rough terrain in between his regular on-road journey, can make use these. Basically multiple parameters like your ESP (Stability and Traction), TCU, ECU, SCU and others, are altered to enable better capability in those terrains.

But then, there was that video of ROXX 2WD slipping in slush near Manali while testing, so can't understand any usability of these Standard Features, because they had to eventually push it out of the muck/slush. Or could it be that they made these things standard based on that feedback, and these simple 4x2 models will not get stuck like that now, because of all that tech?

[CARDEEP]

^^ To be honest, & having used the rough road & wet modes on my Safari XZA, I can say these are good for urban jungle & only when you are on the move. If you are struck anywhere these modes are useless on any 2-WD (whether FWD or RWD) vehicle.

Even the better drivers would need help if one gets struck.

Still these are nifty features, not gimmick IMO.

[for_cars1]

Originally Posted by AdityaDeane

...these simple 4x2 models will not get stuck like that now, because of all that tech?

The only significant feature that makes the 4X2 model have increased traction is the BLD on the rear wheels.

That still doesn't make it competent to be taken off road without high chances of getting stuck.

[SomrajSG]

Originally Posted by jimmyjagga

I would love to meet a gentleman who can afford fortuner and still buys a Thar/ Jimny / Scorpio/ Safari, as their solo daily ride.

I have driven the Fortuner in India extensively and can tell you, it doesn’t justify the price. (For whatever reasons)

I live in Dubai, and my daily is a 4.0L V6 Nissan Pathfinder. I can afford to buy a Fortuner, but here also it is overpriced for what it offers. I would happily pick a Nissan Xterra/Pathfinder or Ford Everest/Explorer or a Wrangler any-day over a Fortuner. Basically the Pathfinder & Explorer belongs to the category of LC Prado or equivalent.

If I plan to spend 50+ Lakhs INR in India, My choice will be an used 2017-18 Innova 2.8 Z, with a Mahindra Thar Roxx top spec.

Unfortunately the Fortuner is a Jack of all trades, but king of none.

[TheARUN]

The variant that would have interested me would have been
- Diesel Automatic
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Fabric seats and
- Panoramic sun-roof

MX3 is a diesel automatic with fabric seats but does not have adaptive cruise control

AX3L is not an automatic

AX5L is an automatic with adaptive cruise control but comes with leatherette seats

I am wondering which model is going to get the maximum bookings

[jimmyjagga]

Originally Posted by SomrajSG

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Unfortunately the Fortuner is a Jack of all trades, but king of none.

Happy to know you live in Dubai and happy to know you drive pathfinder. I do neither

Jack of all, that’s what works in our country of juggaad, isn’t it?

FYI I do not find Juggaad a bad thing either

Regards

[RJM]

I own 2.0 GV and to be honest it is getting challenging to switch, I was very optimistic about Roxx petrol 4x4 but seems M&M would like to dictate to masses what they should buy. This surely is helping 10yr Rule rhetoric. second part which makes me wonder is M&M keeping 4x4 pricing under wraps. yep, change is difficult as we all know! Funny side is that my GV still runs , parts are getting difficult to source, its 4x4 system outperforms most of the 4x4s out there and that is a bummer.