Team-BHP - Mahindra Thar Roxx Review

I am surprised that M&M has given out mostly Diesel variants for testing. Any reviews of the petrol RWD? Also the top end variants for petrol & diesel have just around ~70K difference.

Even with all the hype the unfortunate fit & finish issues with M&M means that it will take atleast 6 months to an year before the THAR ROXX really is issue free. I hope and pray I am proven wrong though :D

My 3D Thar is a year old & my wifey is super excited about the 5D! Not complaining at all!

Thank you very much. A test drive simulating various use situations sounds like a great idea. The most serious concern for me is the mileage, especially in city conditions, which is also my 80 percent use. Other than this Roxx appears to be an appealing proposition as of now.

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Originally Posted by Bibendum90949 (Post 5830632)

You're almost the perfect candidate for the Roxx. It may not ride or handle as great as a Duster but Roxx may well become the benchmark on ride and handling, among the ladder frame vehicles. Comparing both the vehicles on those two attributes is futile.

But what you can do is take multiple test drives with your family and judge for yourself to see if it's liveable. Do the TD on your oft travelled routes. It's the best way to differentiate the ride quality. My guess is you would fall for it. Just ensure the tyre pressure of the TD car is at 32-33 psi. Most TD cars will always have them set at a higher value, possibly to avoid topping them up every now and then. It would work as a great upgrade for you. If I were in your shoes, it would be a diesel AT for me, that comes with a 4*4 too. Good luck.

cheers,
bibendum.

Dr.Velu, the Mahindra top boss has indicated that there's no technical limitation in having a petrol 4*4. But their current priority is to set the production lines in accordance to the market demand, which is largely RWD. They're tight lipped about a petrol 4*4, as of now.

On a side note, the FE of a 4*4 petrol Roxx would be even more absymal and in lower single digits, going by the FE of Thar petrol. I'm not sure if that factor is also playing in the minds of marketing folks at Mahindra.

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Originally Posted by AdityaDeane (Post 5831476)

could it be that they made these things standard based on that feedback, and these simple 4x2 models will not get stuck like that now, because of all that tech?

You maybe right here, test vehicles run with zillion configs all across the country. What is being tested in a particular vehicle maybe very difficult to ascertain. On the other hand I had seen insta video's which talks about the capability of the final 4x2 set up, as reviewed by Offroad folks in Kerala and they spoke high about it. If I find it agin will share.

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Originally Posted by itinerant (Post 5831753)

The most serious concern for me is the mileage, especially in city conditions, which is also my 80 percent use.

What are the minimum fuel efficiency figures you are looking at?

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Originally Posted by for_cars1 (Post 5831766)

I have one lingering question about Roxx's length of 4438 mm.
Does the length measurement include the sparewheel at the back or is it the front bumper to rear bumper measurement excluding the sparewheel.

I had the same doubt, but as far as I have read as per CMVR, only bumper to bumper is considered and spare wheel projections are not considered. If someone has additional information, do share.

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Originally Posted by Jaggu (Post 5831786)

I had the same doubt, but as far as I have read as per CMVR, only bumper to bumper is considered and spare wheel projections are not considered. If someone has additional information, do share.

This is correct. The length considered is only n bumper to bumper. Spare wheel projections are not considered.

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Originally Posted by Jaggu (Post 5831762)

What are the minimum fuel efficiency figures you are looking at?

I'd say, I would like about 10 from the petrol. Where I drive, the Octavia 1.8tsi would stay above 12-13, for almost all tank fulls.

The efficiency is a big concern for me!. Even if I buy knowing the FE, but have more efficient cars in my garage, every morning my brain will compute the loss in choosing Roxx for that day's drive or the gain in not driving it.

If it wasn't NCR, the decision was easier, take diesel only. Its not just the 10 year rule but the paranoia of it getting banned (temporarily or permanent) any morning.

Super confusion!

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Originally Posted by SLK (Post 5831831)

You could drive gently and extract good FE however by default the tuning of the vehicle would be towards good performance, it's something expected by the buyers.

Even the diesel would be so happy to stay for long hours at full chat that even on highways you'd see single digit FE.

It's a happy engine , it will happily finish all the fuel you can give no complaints :)

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Originally Posted by SLK (Post 5831831)

If it wasn't NCR, the decision was easier, take diesel only. Its not just the 10 year rule but the paranoia of it getting banned (temporarily or permanent) any morning.

Super confusion!

Folks in NCR seem to have accepted the 10 year life for Diesel cars.

Enforcing the ban 10 years down the line for a BS 6.2 diesel seems absolutely absurd.

They should revoke the >10 year ban for BS 6.2 and above diesels given the fact that they are significantly non polluting and practically on par with petrol emission standards.

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Originally Posted by for_cars1 (Post 5831766)

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Originally Posted by Jaggu (Post 5831786)

I had the same doubt, but as far as I have read as per CMVR, only bumper to bumper is considered and spare wheel projections are not considered. If someone has additional information, do share.

Jaggu, where did you read bumper to bumper? Sparewheel is excluded, but I think bumper to bumper definition is incorrect.

"Normally", overall length is measured between extreme projection points of the vehicle, which is defined in CMVR, at-least that is the case with commercial vehicles. By projection point, I mean this ->

Mahindra Thar Roxx Review-overall-length.jpg

https://hmr.araiindia.com/Control/AI...S-093Rev_1.pdf

Page 44.

I believe this definition would also be valid for M / N Category of vehicles, Thar being one.

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Explanation. - For the purposes of this sub-rule overall length means the length of the vehicle measured between parallel planes through the extreme projection points of the vehicle, exclusive of
(i)
any fire-escape fixed to a vehicle;
(ii)
any ladder used by the operator to board or alight the vehicle;
(iii)
any tail or indicator lamp or number plate fixed to a vehicle;
(iv)
any sphere wheel or sphere wheel bracket or bumper fitted to a vehicle;
(v)
any towing hook or other fitments;
(vi)
any operational attachment on front, rear or carrier chassis of construction equipment vehicle in travel mode.]

https://indiankanoon.org/doc/58396086/

Spike

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Originally Posted by for_cars1 (Post 5831885)

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They should revoke the ban for BS 6.2 diesels and above(upcoming) … practically on par with petrol emission standards.

Shh.. don’t say that out loud.

NGT will read it as,

petrol and diesels have similar emissions now

and think,

time to bring petrols on par with diesels then, must ban both after 10 yrs.

:Frustrati

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Originally Posted by RJM (Post 5831676)

I own 2.0 GV and to be honest it is getting challenging to switch,

Funny side is that my GV still runs , parts are getting difficult to source, its 4x4 system outperforms most of the 4x4s out there and that is a bummer.

Blame it on the GV's limited slip central differential. That unit is worth its weight in silver if not gold!!
Have booked an Alpha AT Jimny in place of my Santro. But we are in many minds as to whether to let go of the GV.
One thinking is to keep it and replace it with the Roxx after a few years. Hopefully the petrol 4x4 AT Roxx would be launched by then and the niggles ironed out.

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Originally Posted by SLK (Post 5831831)

I'd say, I would like about 10 from the petrol. Where I drive, the Octavia 1.8tsi would stay above 12-13, for almost all tank fulls.

Roxx petrol may not be for you then :) 8-9 kmpl at best and with gentle driving.

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Originally Posted by SPIKE ARRESTOR (Post 5831904)

Jaggu, where did you read bumper to bumper? Sparewheel is excluded, but I think bumper to bumper definition is incorrect.
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https://indiankanoon.org/doc/58396086/

Spike

Spikeee long time.... yes same place I guess, it was a while back

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Originally Posted by sridhar-v (Post 5832071)

Hopefully the petrol 4x4 AT Roxx would be launched by then and the niggles ironed out.

Told the same to Mahindra folks, will wait for it to shift from current 3 door lol rl:

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Originally Posted by sridhar-v (Post 5832071)

All good reasons to make sure GV never goes off the road, imagine if something were to break. It would be nearly impossible to make it road worthy again.

I remember about a decade back searching for Gypsy`s pinion gear, it was not available anywhere within a reasonable time. Off road vehicles as well as daily drivers should have good service support in my experience. Something as simple as a dog running across the highway will have you searching for a radiator among many other things - its a hassle.

I`m not suggesting everyone to discard their beloved old cars, certainly not but there are practical considerations which makes newer vehicles a whole lot better.