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Team-BHP Support ![]() | ![]() @Behram Dhabar: I drove the Thar in very heavy rain during the Monsoon Challenge. There was no water intrusion into the cabin. In fact it was possible to keep the windows half way down as well. I guess the shape of the windscreen also helped in this. My only complaint was that the clear plastic parts became very dirty and created blind spots. |
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![]() However, as a customer, you have given me the final acceptance criteria on the canopy, so thank you. ![]() The "accessory" half canopy is a joke by comparison! Best regards, Behram Dhabhar | |
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| ![]() I think the dealers need education on the above DB sir. That would make most customers happy customers |
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Best regards, Behram Dhabhar | |
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There is also the tendency to sell what the dealer has (or more profitable) and not what the customer wants. Else how is it that most of the M&M dealers (and their sales personal) come up with a blank face whenever there is any inquiry regarding 4x4, be it Scorpio Lx or the Thar at the best and blandly state that the product is not available at its worse | |
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Sir, I do have a question for you and it may albeit be a very silly one. (Tech Guru's / Thar Veterans, please do answer -I need help). I had asked the dealership (in my case NBS) to fit in 2 nos 12V power outlets (cigarette lighter types). Anyway's, it was not done amongst many other dramas. I am now told by their customer care (How I've ended up with customer care is another long epic); that this is not possible. This I do not understand. How is this logical? It just isnt? How else do the Thar's with CB radios and GPS units sail?! I am very hesitant to go to an external garage because I do not want to much around with vehicle electricals / wiring. The customer care story I will share post a negative or positive outcome. So far M&M is falling deep in my bad books. Talking to M&M is a bit like the SBI of 10 years ago and no offense to SBI of today. I am also sharing 2 pics of my jeep. Sincere regards. | |
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As murphy's law states, I ended up needing tyre inflation in the OTR trail. After an hour of search I even managed to borrow a tyre inflator. But I didn't have the power outlet to make it work. So I had to borrow the 12V from Tanzeem's Land Rover. ![]() This the major bane of Thar, it misses most of the conveniences that are taken for granted in the 21st century. Therefore, once you buy the Thar you have to spend anywhere between 1L to 3L to make it hospitable. Just like one has to do after buying a 20 year old Jeep. What is even sillier is that the Mahindra Workshop will refuse to add those common sense features, forcing you to go to outside garages. Last edited by Samurai : 28th August 2012 at 09:01. | |
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| ![]() I ended up wiring two cig-lighters via a fuse directly off the battery. |
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Distinguished - BHPian ![]() | ![]() There are eight theories regarding the absence of power outlet in the Thar: 1. The power outlet draws more current -> more strain on alternator to charge battery -> engine needs to do more work for this -> won't meet CMVR norms then. It was there in vehicle 521 during a brief test period but due to CMVR could not be transferred to production. 2. We have all the necessary drawings and engineering diagrams ready for this. However, to get is approved is a process -> nowadays even having lunch has to become a process -> if i can't eat my lunch without filling a form, i'll be damned if i'm gonna give you a power socket. 3. It will be released in version 3 of the Thar 4. The dealer has been given the necessary drawings for the fitment -> however, in a large environment where there are innumerable variables, proper implementation of robustly designed processes is the only way to succeed, but they must not be at the cost of the customer and the product. This is an area where improvement is required, hence mentioning it. If this is implemented, quality and value proposition of the business that the dealer does will improve significantly. Accessories is just a small part of it and the marketing department thinks that the customer can live without a power socket. However, if you want to add it, PM me and i will guide you in totality. 5. You did not mention requirement of power socket in the thread where you were asked what you wanted in the new jeep. Please read correctly. 6. As you are aware, we started designing on a shoe string budget and we just couldn't afford to incorporate the power source in our drawings -> let me explain why -> a power source comes under the technical heading titled External Output of Battery Power for Consumer Electronic Gadgets (EOBPCEG). Now for this we would need to have a separate department to formulate ideal guidelines which would be need to meet CMVR guidelines. Thus, we would have to assign a manager, a law expert, an engineer for drawing the necessary guidelines. Then get a CAD guy to do drawings, etc etc etc. Also we would need to assign then a special cafeteria with cooks, waiters and washers since nowadays getting lunch has also been a process. 7. The power outlet could be used in conjunction with a cigarette lighter to light your smokes. However, since our exhaust already leaks into the body and our perfectly engineered soft top is so good that it keeps all the exhaust smoke inside, we thought it was our moral responsibility to discourage you from smoking. 8. Reason for not having a power socket is simple, it is cost. In my opinion, it is not a compulsory feature. We can debate this point to death for nothing so spare me the agony all of you, but in the interest of simplicity also, I would not advocate having it, it serves no great purpose. In our time, we used to do all navigation without GPS and used the sun and stars for getting our bearings and ofcourse there were no mobile phones at that time. Invest in a good foot pump, will give you a good workout as well. In summary: the 521 did the examm and akc without the need for a power outlet. it was a true thar and even beat a race spec honda civic which had a power outlet on the highway. The power outlet thus also sucks out valuable power. Last edited by Tejas@perioimpl : 28th August 2012 at 09:34. Reason: corrected some typos and added point 8 |
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| ![]() @Tejas - Oh my God....that was the funniest thing I have read in a long time!! [left]Thank you for that post - it has brightened up my morning while at the same time bringing tears to my eyes (due to sadness) from the pain I feel with my Thar at times - especially after reading explanations about why something is the way it is. I will be printing this post, laminating it and keeping it in my Thar's glove box along with the ownership papers. I hope you don't mind. On a side note - I have 2 sockets in my Thar - one on the dash - got it done on JC Road (aftermarket) by the guy who fitted my power windows and auto door locks. I also have a socket integrated into my hard top for the rear seat passengers - done by a local tinker. I have not had any issues with either and have had no problems with the A.S.S when I have done my free services. Regards, Manas Note from the Team-BHP Support Team: Please avoid quoting an entire large post. It inconveniences our small screen & mobile readers. Last edited by Rudra Sen : 28th August 2012 at 12:09. |
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![]() I'll wait and see what the dealership says after due deliberation. If everything fails; aftermarket it is. On a separate note, while the sun, moon, stars and the local chai walla may often be good as navigation aids; some of us (including a definite myself) are inanely geographically challenged ![]() Have a lovely day ahead. Best regards. Last edited by Technocrat : 28th August 2012 at 19:35. Reason: ONly 2 smileys per post allowed, please read the board rules before proceeding, thanks | |
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| ![]() Your Thar looks awesome with the half canopy ! What all accessories did you buy and can you give us the costing ? none of the pune dealers have the price list for the official accessories/customisations. |
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BHPian Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Navi Mumbai
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For me, I did the expedition bumpers, seat covers, stereo and the side step from the expedition kit. I think it is sturdier than the broad aluminium one. Obviously I did the half top, which I really repent courtesy the monsoon. I did 2 nos. Hella Driving lamps & 2 nos. Hella fog lamps. (Sincerely suggest you have auxillary lamps installed with someone good and using two relays in place of one; assuming you will use these lamps). I also got alloys but not sure if I like them in retrospection. Gosh I am a retrospective man! ![]() I also traded in my stock HT Dueller tires at my friendly neighborhood Yoko dealership for slightly wider Geolander AT's. (This I am very happy about). The tire Guru's may not approve but I personally think the vehicle rides significantly better and more firmly planted. Also got a couple of free D Shackles. One got stolen! But I plan to get better ones. They cost approx INR 250 each. For the future I want / need - 2 nos 12V sockets. I am seriously contemplating a good winch and related paraphernelia. I am actively considering a CB radio but am constantly stumping myself with the classic question, "Hello, is there anybody out there? Anybody? Anybody at all?!!! Wooo hoooo. Thar152 reporting no contact, Out". At this stage, it feels like buying the only phone in town! Best regards. | |
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