Gurney Nutting creations in India

DKG · 2nd February 2010, 14:06

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Originally Posted by karlosdeville

Just thinking out loud on a hunch - does this car have Indian connections?

Bentley 4- door pillarless saloon Gurney Nutting/Carlton Carriage 1937 *for sale - PreWarCar.Com

That rear looks so much like Amir's Continental

wasif · 2nd February 2010, 18:48

This car has no connections with India whatsoever remote. The first owner was Mr. L lowenstein a well know hotel owner in England and has subsequesntly had four to five further owners all from that part of the world.

DKG, who is Amir and what does his car look like. please put up some pics.

DKG · 2nd February 2010, 23:10

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Originally Posted by wasif

DKG, who is Amir and what does his car look like. please put up some pics.

Amir Ali Jetha's spectacular Phantom II Continental is featured in the Cartier show thread

mbz180 · 3rd February 2010, 00:59

Here are a few photos of Mr. Ghulam Momen's lovely Gurney Nutting 25/30, the often talked about green one, taken at the recent Tolly Club Car and Pet show by me. Mr. Momen's grandson is a good friend of mine, and so my dad (seen siting in the car) and I were taken for a spin around the club in his beautiful car. The engine is silky smooth and is inaudible, and the car still rides very well. Interestingly, the car now sports "JALPAI" state plates at the back, a change from the "JANJIRA" plates it had last. Mr. Momen is of course a direct descendant of the Nawab of Jalpaiguri, and I think he was probably the last Nawab himself. The view of the spirit of ecstacy from inside the car was amazing, to say the least!

DKG · 3rd February 2010, 09:50

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Originally Posted by mbz180

Here are a few photos of Mr. Ghulam Momen's lovely Gurney Nutting 25/30

Easily one of the prettiest RR's I've ever seen. The last time I saw the car in Nagpur it still had its original leather upholstery albeit scuffed and blackwall tyres. The detailing of the new upholstery doesn't seem up to the mark. I also feel the car looked prettier and more "natural" with black wall tyres.

As has been mentioned earlier in the RR thread the car is apparently ex Maharajah of Faridkot, chassis GRO59. Perhaps you can clarify this with Mr. Momen when you meet him next

travancore · 27th February 2010, 20:45

If anyone wants to lay their hands on this magnificent car, here is the chance!!!!!

Photo courtesy : Ross Classic: Hispano Suiza J12 Once Owned by Maharaja of Indore - For Sale

Check out the second picture on the site for the car being towed (out of India ???)

Can't but help notice the similarity with its sister car a R-R Phantom III shown on T-BHP before. I would believe this car was in Silver & Black; not Orange Glow & Black.

harit · 28th February 2010, 10:35

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Originally Posted by travancore

If anyone wants to lay their hands on this magnificent car, here is the chance!!!!!

Photo courtesy : Ross Classic: Hispano Suiza J12 Once Owned by Maharaja of Indore - For Sale

Check out the second picture on the site for the car being towed (out of India ???)

Can't but help notice the similarity with its sister car a R-R Phantom III shown on T-BHP before. I would believe this car was in Silver & Black; not Orange Glow & Black.

The Rolls PIII and this Hispano were sister cars, same owner and commissioned at the same time for coach building.

Cheers harit

wasif · 28th February 2010, 10:56

What a pity such a grand car lost to India ...how di this one slip out.

Going by he picture it ws in India till the nineties as we can see a Kinetic Honda behind it.

What is the story behind this car, who owned it after the Holkars and how did it land up in that condition.

GRIFO · 15th April 2010, 17:01

G'day all,

Fantastic thread, this forum has the potential to really become a great resource for historians in the future.

One Gurney Nutting creation I'd love to discover a photograph of was one of the legendary Blower Bentleys, a four seater delivered to Maharajah Holkar in Indore in 1930 according to factory records. Chassis #MS3940/engine #MS3943. According to conventional wisdom, the car was destroyed by fire in the 30s and scrapped, while the engine went into a boat that sank.

The spectacular Duesenberg Model SJ chassis #2614/engine #J585 survives in the General William Lyon Collection in California and was shown at the 2007 Pebble Beach Concours d'Elegance. Built on the long wheelbase, it's still a Model SJ, not one of the 10 SJN made.

Cheers,
Damien

Regards,
Damien

wasif · 15th April 2010, 18:30

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Originally Posted by GRIFO

G'day all,

Fantastic thread, this forum has the potential to really become a great resource for historians in the future.

One Gurney Nutting creation I'd love to discover a photograph of was one of the legendary Blower Bentleys, a four seater delivered to Maharajah Holkar in Indore in 1930 according to factory records. Chassis #MS3940/engine #MS3943. According to conventional wisdom, the car was destroyed by fire in the 30s and scrapped, while the engine went into a boat that sank.

The spectacular Duesenberg Model SJ chassis #2614/engine #J585 survives in the General William Lyon Collection in California and was shown at the 2007 Pebble Beach Concours d'Elegance. Built on the long wheelbase, it's still a Model SJ, not one of the 10 SJN made.

Cheers,
Damien

Regards,
Damien

Hi Damien.

We too would love to see pics of the Holkar Blower bentley ...

The Holkar Duesenberg can be seen in the Duesenbergs in India thread although it is no loger "in" India

Chhayanat · 17th April 2010, 01:20

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Originally Posted by DKG

Easily one of the prettiest RR's I've ever seen. The last time I saw the car in Nagpur it still had its original leather upholstery albeit scuffed and blackwall tyres. The detailing of the new upholstery doesn't seem up to the mark. I also feel the car looked prettier and more "natural" with black wall tyres.

As has been mentioned earlier in the RR thread the car is apparently ex Maharajah of Faridkot, chassis GRO59. Perhaps you can clarify this with Mr. Momen when you meet him next

It's nice to see this magnificent car coming up again in Team BHP. It was originally finished in a non-metallic cream (similar to the Darbhanga BRG1 which was cream then maroon and now cream again) as would be seen in the photographs I took of the car in 1967 and 1971 (these are on this website). The whitewalls and wire wheels were also absent in its earlier incarnation. I agree with DKG when he says that the simpler original tyres looked better. To see how these the wheels on these cars looked when they were imported, one can look at the advertisement from Allied Motors, the RR agents for India, reproduced in Cars of the Maharajas. Pursuant to the discussions in this website, it is now known that there are three Gurney Nutting bodied four-door drophead 25-30hp Rolls Royces, all of them thankfully in India. All have been covered on this website.

DKG · 14th March 2013, 09:15

Does anyone have the Allied Motors advertisement which shows BRG 1 in ivory? please do post it here as I need that picture please.

karlosdeville · 14th March 2013, 10:31

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Originally Posted by DKG

Does anyone have the Allied Motors advertisement which shows BRG 1 in ivory? please do post it here as I need that picture please.

I can't find it at the moment on the forum (I'm sure travancore will come along to prove me wrong), but I distinctly remember it being printed in Manvendra Barwani's book. Of course, in black and white.

KPS · 14th March 2013, 13:44

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Originally Posted by DKG

Does anyone have the Allied Motors advertisement which shows BRG 1 in ivory? please do post it here as I need that picture please.

Here we go
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From Julian's post in the RR Thread

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/pre-wa...tml#post821266

Cheers

KPS

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DKG · 14th March 2013, 21:58

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Originally Posted by karlosdeville

I can't find it at the moment on the forum (I'm sure travancore will come along to prove me wrong), but I distinctly remember it being printed in Manvendra Barwani's book. Of course, in black and white.

Its somewhere here on TBHP too Karlos, frustrating how stuff gets lost in the hundreds of threads and pages ! Spent an hour hunting for it yesterday and no result. Will check the book, thanks

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Originally Posted by KPS

Here we go
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From Julian's post in the RR Thread

KPS it was a Allied Motors advertisement with an image of either GRO 48 or 59. Wanted that picture to check for something.

2nd February 2010, 18:48	#32
wasif Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Abu Dhabi (for now) Posts: 2,957 Thanked: 414 Times	This car has no connections with India whatsoever remote. The first owner was Mr. L lowenstein a well know hotel owner in England and has subsequesntly had four to five further owners all from that part of the world. DKG, who is Amir and what does his car look like. please put up some pics.
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3rd February 2010, 00:59	#34
mbz180 BHPian Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Kolkata Posts: 893 Thanked: 1,023 Times	Here are a few photos of Mr. Ghulam Momen's lovely Gurney Nutting 25/30, the often talked about green one, taken at the recent Tolly Club Car and Pet show by me. Mr. Momen's grandson is a good friend of mine, and so my dad (seen siting in the car) and I were taken for a spin around the club in his beautiful car. The engine is silky smooth and is inaudible, and the car still rides very well. Interestingly, the car now sports "JALPAI" state plates at the back, a change from the "JANJIRA" plates it had last. Mr. Momen is of course a direct descendant of the Nawab of Jalpaiguri, and I think he was probably the last Nawab himself. The view of the spirit of ecstacy from inside the car was amazing, to say the least! Attached Thumbnails
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27th February 2010, 20:45	#36
travancore Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Ann Arbor Posts: 2,934 Thanked: 8,551 Times	Holkar Hispano Suiza J12 Gurney Nutting If anyone wants to lay their hands on this magnificent car, here is the chance!!!!! Photo courtesy : Ross Classic: Hispano Suiza J12 Once Owned by Maharaja of Indore - For Sale Check out the second picture on the site for the car being towed (out of India ???) Can't but help notice the similarity with its sister car a R-R Phantom III shown on T-BHP before. I would believe this car was in Silver & Black; not Orange Glow & Black. Attached Thumbnails Last edited by travancore : 27th February 2010 at 20:56.
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28th February 2010, 10:56	#38
wasif Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Abu Dhabi (for now) Posts: 2,957 Thanked: 414 Times	What a pity such a grand car lost to India ...how di this one slip out. Going by he picture it ws in India till the nineties as we can see a Kinetic Honda behind it. What is the story behind this car, who owned it after the Holkars and how did it land up in that condition.
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15th April 2010, 17:01	#39
GRIFO Newbie Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Sydney Posts: 8 Thanked: 2 Times	G'day all, Fantastic thread, this forum has the potential to really become a great resource for historians in the future. One Gurney Nutting creation I'd love to discover a photograph of was one of the legendary Blower Bentleys, a four seater delivered to Maharajah Holkar in Indore in 1930 according to factory records. Chassis #MS3940/engine #MS3943. According to conventional wisdom, the car was destroyed by fire in the 30s and scrapped, while the engine went into a boat that sank. The spectacular Duesenberg Model SJ chassis #2614/engine #J585 survives in the General William Lyon Collection in California and was shown at the 2007 Pebble Beach Concours d'Elegance. Built on the long wheelbase, it's still a Model SJ, not one of the 10 SJN made. Cheers, Damien Regards, Damien
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14th March 2013, 09:15	#42
DKG Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Hyderabad Posts: 3,711 Thanked: 1,389 Times View My Garage	Re: Gurney Nutting creations in India Does anyone have the Allied Motors advertisement which shows BRG 1 in ivory? please do post it here as I need that picture please.
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