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| Savari (Bangalore) - Enabling Inter-Vehicle Communication for Safety Savari Networks from Bangalore has emerged as a key provider & developer of vehicle-to-vehicle (V2V) communication systems. Additionally, a BHPian Rishie is part of the Savari Team ![]() We're particularly interested in this development as, at Team-BHP, we have always strived to discuss and promote road safety. What's V2V about? Vehicular Communication Systems allow multiple vehicles in the vicinity to communicate pertinent safety data in real-time and inform drivers on any potential safety related information to prevent accidents. The research for this technology started almost a decade ago, while testing is currently underway in the United States. Why? To most Indian motorists, unfortunately, safety is still not a priority. This is not only evident in our appalling road discipline, but also in ridiculous statistics like this – 1.42 lac people died in road accidents in 2011 in India; that's among the highest in the world (Road accidents killed 17 per hour in 2011 - Times Of India). ![]() Current technology allows vehicles to exchange little or no information about potential traffic hazards. The bulk of the recent developments have been in the form of radar based collision warning systems. What V2V offers is a constant exchange of relevant information like speed, position of the vehicle and its projected path among vehicles in the vicinity, thereby warning drivers of any potential dangers. How it works? System communication can take place from Vehicle to Vehicle (V2V) or Vehicle to Infrastructure (V2I). Take the following example: ![]() Data can be exchanged among vehicles that intend to depart a particular lane and other vehicles in the vicinity. Similarly, cars arriving at an intersection can transmit warning messages to other cars. Feedback to the driver can be given in the form of vibration alerts, audio warnings or visual displays... or a combination of all three. The messages range from basic safety messages to emergency vehicle alerts to probe messages. ![]() Hardware & Software Requirements: These include a GPS, a system to determine universal reference time, an interface for the vehicle to receive and interpret relevant data and a wireless communication channel that can provide fast, low latency, secure communications. All of these can be integrated into a single on-board-unit (OBU). Dedicated Short-Range Communications (DSRC) defines the standards under which the V2I and V2V systems will communicate. It resembles Wi-Fi. Basic Safety Message (BSM): Of these various types of messages, the BSM is used to exchange vehicle specific information such as velocity, hard braking and emergency lights etc. Typically, the BSM is sent and received 10 times per second. Some of the important features include Lane Merge Assist, Pre-Crash Sensing and Emergency Vehicle Warning. Challenges and Timeline: Unlike other safety technologies that can be left to the auto manufacturers or users to adopt, V2V will have to be mandatory as it requires universal adoption (at least within a country or region) for maximum effectiveness. In the US, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) plans to support the 2013 regulatory V2V decision, provided its benefits can be demonstrated in real world implementations. The decade long research on this technology culminated in a major real world trial that started recently and is expected to involve more than 2500 cars and last two and a half years. The trial is underway at the University of Michigan, Ann Arbor. Conclusion: One could argue about the relevance of a technology like V2V, which is still in its nascent stage even in the West. And even if it were to see the light of day in the US in the near future, it will take years before it can be successfully adapted to Indian roads and vehicles, constrained as we are by issues like lack of discipline, costs and government apathy. More than anything, it requires driver education & awareness as most Indian car owners don't care much even about ABS. There are still many basic safety issues that will have to be dealt with first. However, despite the challenges it faces, the V2V system is still a fascinating development in the area of road safety. And who says we can’t dream big? V2V demo by Ford: Last edited by DukeNukem : 28th June 2012 at 12:31. |
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Team-BHP Support ![]() ![]() | Re: Savari (Bangalore) - Enabling Inter-Vehicle Communication for Safety Thread moved from the Assembly Line to the Technical Section. Thanks for sharing! |
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| Re: Savari (Bangalore) - Enabling Inter-Vehicle Communication for Safety As part of some analysis I had done a few months ago, the future seems bright for these connected car technologies. For eg:- Japanese Denso Corporation, in collaboration with the Tongji University of Shanghai, will begin testing Vehicle-to-Vehicle (V2V) and Vehicle-to-Infrastructure (V2I) technology on public roads in Taicang, Jiangsu Province, China. Denso is working on with V2X technology right from 2003. Ford -has a program, Crash Avoidance Metrics Partnership (CAMP) which is a joint public-private effort.They are doing this together with General Motors, Honda Motor, Daimler AG, Toyota Motor, the federal government, and local and county road commissions. Denso, Ford, GM have progressed significantly on this topic. National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA, U.S.A) is due to make a decision in 2013, whether to standardize V2X on future cars and trucks. Considering the average age of U.S. vehicles at 10.2 years, focus on finding ways to retrofit existing cars is also strong. Also a number of automakers and aftermarket companies are researching options to bring V2X technology into existing cars. The potential of such products from one of the reports is as shown ![]() Source : Automotive Research: V2X’s Current Market Status and Scenarios for Future Deployment Automotive Research Q4 2010 Topical Report - V2X, V2V, V2I |
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BHPian ![]() | Re: Savari (Bangalore) - Enabling Inter-Vehicle Communication for Safety Hats off to Savari for trying to do something cutting edge in road safety. I have to say though I'm a little apprehensive about the implementation of a system like this in India. Lets start with the most basic issue... I would imagine more than half the cars in the country don't have ECUs. Most roads in India don't even have demarcated lanes, so how will the system know if you've or the car in front of you have have strayed from your lane? Even on the few roads where there are demarcated lanes, there's no vehicular lane discipline. 99% of all traffic in India is a rampant free-for-all, so the system may not be able to detect a break in the pattern and warn you. |
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| Re: Savari (Bangalore) - Enabling Inter-Vehicle Communication for Safety A technology that is the need of the hour. As much as I appreciate this being done ![]() I personally think that, this technology should enable communication through multiple cars, in case of an incident speeding cars at a distance are warned well in advance. (I hope this makes sense to other readers I am trying to pen down all the immediate ideas that strike me at the moment). ![]() Very much excited to see this progress being made (especially when it is done in India). Hope to see some exciting ideas being posted in this thread. Cheers! |
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Team-BHP Support ![]() ![]() | Re: Savari (Bangalore) - Enabling Inter-Vehicle Communication for Safety I'm just wondering how this technology can evolve: - If it senses a fast vehicle coming your way and an absolutely imminent collision, then it could brake automatically. - Could tell you "Hey, your friend Nick's car is just a block away". Of course, subject to privacy settings on & off. - Based on the number of vehicles in a particular area, it could show you an alternate route with the least traffic. Any ideas? |
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| Re: Savari (Bangalore) - Enabling Inter-Vehicle Communication for Safety Let me share some notes I have collected during my analysis a few months back. All data are from published details on the internet. Quote:
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Consider a business model where you get ads from the neighboring friendly shops on your V2X vehicle, if it so evolves too - some possibility, other than the major ones it is designed to be. Dream Big Last edited by laluks : 28th June 2012 at 17:16. | |||
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BHPian ![]() | Re: Savari (Bangalore) - Enabling Inter-Vehicle Communication for Safety Quote:
"The Focus ST comes with awesome toys, only you'll never get them because you live in the U.S. The car would self-correct and maintain is position in its lane on the highway, like Knight Rider. And once when the tollbooth thing stuck to the windshield didn't trigger immediately, the auto brakes sensed the impending crash with gate and knew we were approaching the point of no return. So the Focus JAMMED the brakes and we stopped! It was so awesome! US customers will get none of this Knight Rider awesomeness. But you should be happy anyway because the little ST is fun to drive. The car itself is the toy." A lot of high-end GPS systems today have a buddy-tracking system. The reason you don't hear about it too much is the same reason you don't hear about smartphone tracking apps too much either - they could be used for the wrong reasons and the manufacturers don't want the liability of legal action. Alternate route calculations based on realtime traffic conditions have been around for a little while now though. | |
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| Re: Savari (Bangalore) - Enabling Inter-Vehicle Communication for Safety Another interesting possibility from this technology (may not be interesting to some of our petrol heads ![]() Quote:
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| Re: Savari (Bangalore) - Enabling Inter-Vehicle Communication for Safety We are very happy to see the interest in this work by forum members. This technology is being actively investigated by transportation departments in the US, Europe, Korea, Japan, Australia, etc. In India, the use of this particular spectrum (though kept aside for Intelligent transportation activities) is non-existent at this point. For the basic safety technology to work, one needs to only have GPS and the DSRC wireless system in the car, no need of an ECU as such or an interface to a debug port. However, if one can interface into the car CAN bus, there is a possibility of further deriving more accurate safety related information. Quote:
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Most noteworthy point is that, the effective range of DSRC radios is nearly 1000 meters, under test conditions, between the vehicles. This enables the vehicles to communicate even when they are not in the visibility range of the Drivers. Also this communication is not limited between two vehicles, but its a broadcast to all the vehicles in the range. Quote:
PS: Sorry for the late reply guys, I was on a personal vacation over the weekend. | ||||
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