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The problem stems from lack of enough police force to effectively monitor all such cases in cities like Hyd, where one's chances of being caught when drunk are abysmally low. Hence, if the cops truly intend to ensure that anyone who drinks does not drive, then the only way is to make the cost prohibitive enough. It's just a logical conclusion the Police force has reached based on the harsh reality of their limited capabilities, and thus devising methods accordingly. Last edited by avisidhu : 22nd January 2019 at 16:30. | |
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| ![]() Good Job Hyderabad Police. This is like taking it one level higher than telling the wife.: ![]() I rather there is s deterrent like this than some joker trying to be a superman after 5 drinks. When lives are at stake nothing else matters. There is no privacy breach here. Once you are given a ticket for even a No Parking, it becomes available on the public domain. Bangalore Traffic Police has a website for traffic fines. It just needs a vehicle number and all the offences can be seen. Also I do not think that the HR of any company will publicly announce the name of the employee. It is more likely be taken one on one and the general do not drink and drive message sent out to all. Our attitude of , do not mind if you see my No parking ticket( I have seen a lot of people bragging that they parked in a ₹ 100 parking slot ![]() If some drunk employee were to have an accident and kill/injure someone on the road, would the employer not know about it ? DUI is a criminal offence and attracts a jail term of 6 months. In the days of the Uber, Ola and DriveU, it is so convenient to ride back home, why on earth people risk it? Last edited by Arjun Reddy : 22nd January 2019 at 18:30. |
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| ![]() Privacy laws are almost non existent in practice here in India! Public shaming is the term, and it needs to be used very judiciously if you ask me. Yes drunken drive is a crime, but I don't think someone who has been caught once for drunken drive, and already penalised by the court system needs OR deserve this kind of treatment. Whoever is the source of this leak, has made a gross violation of privacy laws and should be given a stern warning. The matter being communicated by the cops to the company, is a private and confidential matter between the two parties. And the action to be taken (if any), is sole discretion of the company, based on its own code of conduct for employees. Will such acts result in curbing this offence? I am not very sure, like many have mentioned there are much more progressive way of dealing with such matters. Public shaming often screws up peoples life and leaves very little positive impact on the society in the long run. |
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| ![]() IMO, a harsh deterrent is required if vehicle drivers do not comply with the law. Privacy of that irresponsible moron who drives after consuming alcohol is immaterial! Who can imagine the thought of loved ones or friends being injured or, God forbid, killed?! Privacy can and should be compromised on when multiple lives are at stake. The higher the stakes the higher the compliance in this country. Laaton ke bhoot baaton se nahin maante. Sadly, that's just the way how a large majority of Indian drivers are. |
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There is a huge difference between people not doing something because it is forbidden by law and you have a high chance of getting caught with heavy consequence. Or not doing something because you simply believe you should not drive a car when you have had a few. To me these are two very different solutions. We started probably a couple of decades with a similar approach. High visibility and lots of police attention, time and dedication was given. In addition the "do not drink when you need to drive"' campaign has been running for the better part of two decades now. It's ingrained in the educational/social/culture aspect of living in the Netherlands. Many bars/café will offer the so called Bob (whoever is going to stay sober, free soft drinks during the whole evening). Very few people in the Netherlands drink whilst driving. Not because it is forbidden by law (it has been for decades), not because they are likely to get caught (because these days the chances are very small), or because the penalties/fines are pretty tough, but because general public consensus is you just do not drink when you need to drive. We have not been able to eradicate drink/driving completely. The "do not drink whilst driving" campaigns will still continue and evolve over the years to come. Whilst on a topic like this, it is easy to take a whatever it takes approach to get the problem solved, you might want to consider this: Do you want people to comply with laws because they are afraid of getting caught? Or would you rather they comply because they have an intrinsic value/outlook in life which ensures they do not engage in drinking/driving. I do not think the first leads to the second automatically. But I have been wrong before. ![]() Jeroen | ||
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Senior - BHPian ![]() | ![]() I fully support the Hyderabad police on this. i work from 3.30 pm to 12:30 am, and have seen several maniacs driving like crazy on the stretch from Jubilee Hills Check Post towards Panjagutta--mostly on high-end bikes and super cars. This is the reason I leave for home around 11 pm, just to avoid those morons. Those spoiled brats have rich dads who can bail them out in most cases. Those incidents can be checked only by DUI checks, and measures like this. While on this topic, my pal's wife, who's a reporter in The Hindu, wrote an article way back in 2003 that the road from Nagarjuna Circle towards LV Prasad needs a divider, and that would deter super car owners from racing and intimidating other drivers. The cops responded quickly and got that implemented. Though i was disappointed (I did not have a super car though), I reconciled because it was for the larger good of society. Last edited by vnabhi : 22nd January 2019 at 21:44. |
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So you can get your name in the local paper for being jailed for DUI just as much as you can by for example winning a local tennis tournament, or the Nobel Prize for that matter. There can be no expectation of privacy in such cases. As others have said, most IT / ITES employers mandate disclosure of any arrests let alone jail sentences passed on an employee in the employment contract itself - this has a direct impact on visa issuance for instance besides the negative PR caused to the company if some paper mentions the guy's employer name instead of something generic like "A MNC software company in Gachibowli" | |
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| ![]() I read through mostly all the posts. My thought - does this breach of privacy save lives? I think so. Or at least it puts the fear of losing paychecks in potential drunk drivers. I hate drunk drivers. They are nothing but licensed killers. Any means to keep them off the road. Also, my other point - when it becomes a criminal case (which I assume drunk driving is), why is it a private matter when you can easily locate the case in court? |
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| ![]() Agree with GTO on this. Anything to get drunk drivers off the road is welcome. ![]() Quote:
Strict punishments are deterrents for the short-term solution (now to ~20 years) and education is a long term solution for the 25 year to forever. We need both to eradicate the problem. India's literacy rate compounds the problem. | |
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I agree that during the day they are not to be seen, but weekends and especially at night, they will be around. | |
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It is not just on Weekends. Every police station has to do two days a week for sure, some inspectors do more than that too. One has to be either Friday or Saturday. So you might be noticing only on weekends. |
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Also if you read the letter - it only (a) in para 1, mentioned matters that are part of public record, and (b) reiteration of the law and obligations in paras 2-3. It is hard to see how anyone can claim all this is confidential information. This is the pertinent question. I have been reading about naming-and-shaming schemes, and what I have been able to make out so far is that: 1. It works at a small scale (say a few hundred letters a month). At large scale, the behaviour for which one is shamed becomes the norm and then shaming doesn't work. 2. Justice system has a bigger obligation of deterrence than recidivism. This move could help in the former while doing nothing about the latter. 3. Such schemes could be challenged under libel laws. Depending on the jurisdiction, these might be fruitful. | ||
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