Team-BHP - 2019 Global NCAP crash tests - Ertiga, WagonR, Santro & Redigo

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Originally Posted by tarik.arora (Post 4684810)

Pleasantly surprised to see Ertiga getting a 3-star rating. I always thought that it will not get more than 2 start (just a feeling). And Yes, BNCAP will just ensure that no zero star cars are around us. It a missed opportunity for BNCAP. A 3-star GNCAP equivalent rating should be the minimum passing criterion.

Me too!

From what I have read, a drop of one star in the rating system is a drastic reduction in passenger safety.

My next car will have a 5 star rating even if it has no resale value of 'milage'lol:

And to think all the star ratings are calculated at not too high speeds. how safe would a 3 star car be at 100kmph collision?:Frustrati

As a owner of the latest Ertiga, I am a bit surprised that the car got 3 star rating, I was expecting 2 stars to be honest ! So the quest for a much safer Maruti continues ...

At least from the looks of it, the cars were not getting crumpled like cardboards beyond the A-pillar this time around (remember Scorpio or Kwid's first test ?), not that it makes these ones look good but it seems we are heading in the right direction very slowly.

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Originally Posted by sushantr5 (Post 4686778)

And hence, Eritga VXI is out of my shopping list. I was looking to buy Ertiga VXI in February next year. I need 7 seater MPV because of family needs. This crash result of Ertiga empties my shopping cart just before checkout.

Do we have any 5 star rated MPV? I think Innova and Hexa have not been tested.

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Originally Posted by pseudo_coder (Post 4686865)

Do we have any 5 star rated MPV? I think Innova and Hexa have not been tested.

I'm fishing for updates on this topic myself - but I can only recall 4 star rated MPVs at best in India. The Aria was 4 star rated back in 2011. Of course, I heard that what's 4 star rated this year is bound to be rated lower next year if nothing in it changes...

So anyway, right now the Marazzo is the best we have - with the same caveat; it would be down-rated in successive years if M&M does nothing to improve it further.

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Originally Posted by mohan41 (Post 4686898)

Innova Crysta has 4 star safety rating from ASEAN NCAP. Not sure how different ASEAN and Global NCAP tests are.

That's disappointing for a car so costly. Our official review states that it has an "Indestructible build".

If Nexon can score 5 stars, a reputed car double its price must. Or is it due to lack of small features like speed alerts and door auto locks?

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Originally Posted by Leoshashi (Post 4686358)

This is what I had posted regarding the differences between XL6 and Ertiga.

https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/india...ml#post4654699

Even I was curious to know what earned the XL6 SUZUKI-TECT badge which all NEXA cars get and only Vitara Brezza gets in the Arena lineup. I'm not sure what difference the different panels and members would have but I'm hoping it has a positive effect over the Ertiga.

Regards,
Shashi

Actually another member JediKnight has posted the below in the same thread. I wouldn't be too hopeful about XL6 which is nothing but a Ertiga with cladding.

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I got some information on this from my birdies. As per them safety wise there is no difference between Ertiga and XL6. Both of them comply to the current and near future Indian safety norms. Both of them much better than the outgoing Eritga.

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Originally Posted by pseudo_coder (Post 4686949)

Apparently it didnt get 5 stars due to lack of ESC in the test car.
http://www.aseancap.org/v2/?p=3691

Quoting from the report:

"Toyota Innova is the second MPV model from Toyota tested by ASEAN NCAP. The second generation model that was recently launched fared well during the test by obtaining 14.10 points for Adult Occupant Protection (AOP). However, as ASEAN NCAP prerequisite for 5-Star requires the variant to be equipped with Electronic Stability Control (ESC), only variants with ESC is eligible for 5-Star AOP while those without received 4-Star AOP. As for Child Occupant Protection (COP), Innova achieved 76% compliance that puts it within the 4-Star category rating. The model has Anti-lock Braking System (ABS), Seatbelt Reminder (SBR) for both driver and front passenger, ISOFIX and top tether fitted as standard in all of Innova’s variants. ESC is available as optional for base but standard on higher variant."

if anything this test vindicates my point I made in the Honda shutdown thread here:

https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/india...ml#post4681870

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Originally Posted by Nithesh_M (Post 4681996)

Every manufacturer does cost cutting in India especially in the sub 10 lakh segment and some above it.

For eg:

A top manufacturer spends pittance on chassis integrity but prefers to focus r&d on providing a car filled with gizmos and a frugal yet efficient powertrain built to a price to say they "offer more for less".

Other top manufacturer thinks providing premium interiors with good material, connectivity and paint quality will distract customers from poor chassis build quality overall.

There's a new entrant now who is emulating the quirks of the above two and is starting to establish itself as a viable third alternative.

The manufacturers that prefer to put their money on a decent engine/build quality but have no spare budget to add premium interiors or teenage attention grabbing gizmos to match the above rivals on pricing are ultimately ending up as the biggest losers.

Some manufacturers really don't care if Global Ncap highlights the fact that they make 0 star cars in Asia but other manufacturers can't afford to lose their brand image which is why Toyota and Honda had openly declared a few years ago that they are not willing to build cars to compete with entry level cars in India. A segment that makes many manufacturers a chunk of money.

Greed is subjective. For some the omission of in car features maybe greedy but for others manufacturers selling unsafe cars is greedy.

What's more valuable? A 10" touchscreen infotainment system or a life?

I would like to bring attention to a very important question raised by fellow Bhpian SoumenD in Hyundai Venue official review thread. We now know that Santro has fared poorly with 2 star ratings. We also know from Official review of Venue that it is based on K1 platform which made it's debut in Santro. Also in the same official review, we have the following sentence:
Precise build & quality (including interiors) are easily among the segment best

I feel the above sentence is a bit misleading especially with words build and quality. we all can agree that Venue has not been crash tested but since Santro has fared so poorly, can we at least look at modifying that line and give clarity that this is no way reflective of its crash abilities. Alternate suggestion will be to add one more point to mention crash tests.

On that note, why don't we start adding one line in Like/Don't like section with results of crash test (of car or of platform). I know some cars or platforms won't have results ready but as soon as it is ready we can anyways go back and add that line in official review.

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Originally Posted by RaghuVis (Post 4689528)

A well built car need not necessarily be safe and vice versa. Etios appears flimsy but scored 4 stars in safety rating. I am sure the review is pointing more towards body panels, fit and finish, interior material quality and how well they are bolstered in Venue. I am sure you would disagree if "Precise build and quality" statement appeared on Etios review given its safety rating.

While I was following the Global NCAP results, it is clear that even with such awareness typically in all auto media channels there is no high demand for safe cars or decline in demand for unsafe cars.

Tata Nexon is one of the cars that showed a better number at sales but is it because of safety or just better value proposition by Tata Motors in that segment? This still remains a question.

Moreover, GNCAP is an independent agency that is doing such tests and Indian Govt is still deciding on do we need BNVSAP or not. If yes there is a debate on 56kmph or 64kmph.

It's sad to know to be a country that has huge potential for the automotive market but poor safety standards.