Firstly, I do not want to hijack another person's thread. But was searching for Etios reviews/recent sale numbers after the competition turning on the heat - found this thread. Saw a full page ad in Sunday's paper here in Bangalore that Etios Petrol is available off the shelf for Rs.1 insurance. Looks like Etios P sales have gone down considerably. Not sure if it's due to Etios D or the competition. My gut feeling says it's the later (after reading about Etios D's NVH issues in the official TBHP reviews). The Sep-Oct sales numbers will confirm this one.
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Originally Posted by RadiantKarma Hey andromeda, tell me more about it! I am gradully turning into a fan of Sunny for the price at which the good-looking caaar is on offer.
Is Nissan really as good in terms of reliability as the other big two - Toyota & Honda? My question arises, because, in US, a similar specced Nissan sells at a substantial discount to a Toyota. Also, the quality surveys I have seen (though not sure to what extent to believe in them) place Nissan well below these two. |
You bet.
My 2 cents.
In terms of quality/reliability of the core parts (Engine/Drivetrain, etc) Toyota/Nissan/Honda are pretty much on the same scale. Do remember that Nissan was the top Japanese car maker (if not for their financial mess in the early 90s, due to which Carlos Ghosn had to pick up stake and fire 25k Nissan employees). Even Renault agreed at that time that Nissan engineering was ages beyond the best Renault has/had. In fact, the mess Nissan encountered was nothing to do with their Engineering - it was a marketing failure. They just had too many products/variants and their marketing guys just didn't know which to promote
. Now they are back to being the 2nd top Japanese carmaker in the world. Hope they catch up and bypass Toyota soon.
Coming to the practical experience, I have owned Nissan Sentra, Altima, and still own Toyota Corolla/Sequoia here in the US. My Altima is 120000+ miles and still going without any major issues. I'm not looking to sell it till it reaches 250000+ OR I end up getting a fat estimate which is more than 50% of the car's current worth. Japanese cars last 250k - 300k with proper maintenance (regular oil change, fluid topups, electronic checks, etc..).
Ask 99% of the desis, they stick to Nissan Altima, Honda Civic/Accord OR Toyota Camry - for a good reason (we desis need a car which does not fall apart as long as we want it and need the bang for every buck).
Did buy a used Toyota Sequoia as well for using it as people mover + experiencing the SUV factor and I got a very good deal (or so I thought, unfortunately). Unfortunately my timing (2007) was horrible since the gas prices shot up through the roof once I bought it. It's a little bigger than Scorpio and little smaller than Land Cruiser. It's a white elephant now and I use it sparingly. Do have issues with braking at high speeds and the high speed-stability issues (due to very high GC). My ODO says 65k miles and I had to change the Alternator once (which is unheard off when it comes to the Jap. cars). The recent unintended acceleration recalls (of pretty much all the recent year Sequoias, but not mine yet) have added to my apprehension.
Next up, I was looking for a no-nonsense/niggle free (even feature free would have done) car in India sometime late last year. For any so-called international car, I didn't want to pay double the amount in India. So that pretty much left out the cars at 10+ lakh (due to any reason like taxes, excise, customs, etc....) After checking out all of them I ended up buying Etios P due to these reasons (strictly in that order).
1. Didn't find a better available no-nonsense car in the 5-8L petrol car among the Manza/Dzire/Etios/Verito.
2. Among the lot, found the driveability (esp. the low end torque, turning radius, etc..), space (rear legroom, boot, etc..) to be better in the Etios.
3. @ that time, I could safely say 'beggars are not choosers'. So was ready to compromise with the NVH (since I had to get it fixed later outside).
As I said in my earlier post, I do not have any issues with the Etios P as of today. But if you ask me do you like it as I used to when I bought it - it's unquestionably NO. Will I drive my car for the next X years - Yes, since I do not have the luxury of trading it now.
Reason - It's not a VFM anymore, when you look at the market. For this reason, if someone asks me if Etios is VFM today or even going forward (when competition will only increase), I would unequivocally say NO. In fact, I would not even recommend it to anyone.
In the next 2-3 months, I see Toyota going the Honda way (either slashing the Etios prices substantially OR match the real 'Q' class interiors/features provided in Sunny).
Remember guys, I own more than one Toyota product and DO NOT have any issues with Etios (neither any grudge against the brand). But when it comes to money, I just feel they are fleecing the public's hard-earned money by dubbing it as 'Q' class.