Re: The fight for net neutrality is on! Time to reclaim the internet Quote:
Originally Posted by ashua 1. Private enterprises are all required to follow a few rules and regulations in place whether it be minimum wages, provident funds, gratuity, etc.
2. And where these regulations are not followed (the un-organised and backward sectors), it does lead to exploitation to a large extent.
3. Plus, I think when you say this, you are speaking against your own point. We want the internet to be free and not controlled by telecom or the government. Are you for controlling it? by tie ups made between your ISP and the vendor, they are in a way controlling your internet experience.
4. If the vendor was so inclined, he could offer freebie's to user's from a certain telecom provider. Let him do that and try to get customer's to come to his site and buy, rather than saying let people access my site and block/throttle my competitors. There is a difference between wooing and forcing my hand.
5. Variable toll prices (peak time based tolls) according to me is a fair exercise since it applies equally to everyone travelling during the peak time. I feel it is something that will eventually start getting implemented.
I am not assuming anything, but it is the future that we are talking about so you are predicting something and I am predicting the opposite. The fact remains that zero rating, subsidised access to selective services is something that is stopped/rejected the world over with the single reason that these have a strong possibility of violating net neutrality and shunting innovation. |
1. Where does one draw the line of too little regulation and too much regulation?
2. We need examples where reduction / removal of regulations indeed lead to "exploitation". Besides, what really is definition of exploitation?
3. How do you construe Airtel tying up with Flipkart as controlling internet?
4. Who is forcing you to use Airtel Zero and access Flipkart? You have a choice to use Airtel, pay for internet and surf wikipedia. You also have choice to switch to Idea and surf Amazon for free. And so on. No one is taking away your right to surf internet (although there is no such right actually), only you are paying for accessing some site, and getting others for free.
5. I gave the toll example and dynamic market pricing to show that people cry wolf over perceived unfair strategies, whereas there is nothing unfair about it. Quote:
Originally Posted by StarrySky 1. Dynamic pricing is different since everyone pays the same. Dynamic pricing exists in Internet access in India - like reduced rates or free data usage during the nights. However, suggesting you pay for some sites while you do not pay for others (and not based on my choices) is not dynamic pricing - the better term probably is "Restrictive Trade Practice".
2. Suppose Whatsapp charges Rs.60 per year like they did earlier, why would you switch if your basic internet packet from your mobile operator costs Rs.100 a month? While WhatsApp charges may be "visible", charges of Flipkart or other sites may not be so visible in subtle pricing changes. Even if it is higher than a competitor's price by Rs.20, will you switch because switching will cost you Rs.100 every month "directly"? Eventually, you will be paying the same Rs.100 extra effectively and indirectly every month to access a restricted list of sites. And so will everyone else (even those who pay for unrestricted internet) because you want subsidy. And you will not change because you will still have "zero cost" internet.
3. You may want to think a bit about the word "regulated". How is a private player "regulating" my access based on his own commercial agreements (and not my choice), "free" for me?
4. If the AirTel Zero platform allowed "me" and a service provider "of my choice" on the internet to reach an agreement where he will pay AirTel for my access to his own site, then that would be OK from the point of view of net neutrality (although eventually this would also lead to price hikes). It is not for AirTel to decide what I should do. |
1. I gave the toll example and dynamic market pricing to show that people cry wolf over perceived unfair strategies, whereas there is nothing unfair about it. I have anyway written above about how you still have a choice.
2. I think you underestimate the power of value, alternatives and choices. I may choose to take a data plan of Rs100 + chose to pay for whasapp simply because for me that is the value. You may choose to take Rs100 data plan and browse only Flipkart because to you any additional spent over Rs100 is a waste.
You have still are not trying to understand point about free market. No one tells what should be done. The price and qty create a supply vs demand and this incetives the sellers/entrepreneurs. No one is is asking for subsidy of free Flipkart, no one is a freebooter. BUT given a choice there is a significant section of people who would prefer that over other alternative. That is why Airtel smelled money and implemented the Zero platform. Not because someone got 1 million people to sign a petition for free Flipkart access via Airtel.
3. How is Airtel restricting you from accessing Wikipedia which will NEVER have tie up with any ISP?
4. Airtel is playing the role of a bridge. If tieing up with Flipkart is not going to make money for Flipkart, flipkart will pull off. If Airtel loses money, Airtel will throw Flipkart away. If sufficient demand exists for YOUR preferred seller, why would Airtel not tie up with him??
Last edited by alpha1 : 17th April 2015 at 15:45.
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