[AltoLXI]

Originally Posted by v1p3r

No one cares, I am beginning to realise. The risk reward ratio is asymmetric.

YouGov conducted a survey in seven countries across Europe and unsurprisingly many would not want to take personal steps to help combat climate crisis if it affects their lifestyle.

[v1p3r]

Originally Posted by AltoLXI

YouGov conducted a survey in seven countries across Europe and unsurprisingly many would not want to take personal steps to help combat climate crisis if it affects their lifestyle.

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Unsurprising. Germany, as always, seems to be leading the charge from the back.

This isn't going anywhere. These fat rich countries expect IND and CHN to cut down on emissions and deprive their citizens of a lifestyle the West is used to - nice cars, flying places on holiday, all the mod-cons and trappings of an upper middle class life. Ain't gonna happen. Is it good for the planet? No. But it still ain't gonna happen.

[gupta_chd]

Originally Posted by AltoLXI

Record breaking heat waves across Asia and southern parts of Europe.

There is something different happening in our part of the world this year. In Chandigarh, I never remember any year in last 15 or may be 20 that we could go on without A/C till mid of May. Weather has been weirdly cool. Nights are even colder and it may still last for another few days.

Strange phenomenon, isn't ?

[batish]

Originally Posted by gupta_chd

There is something different happening in our part of the world this year. In Chandigarh, I never remember any year in last 15 or may be 20 that we could go on without A/C till mid of May. Weather has been weirdly cool. Nights are even colder and it may still last for another few days.

Strange phenomenon, isn't ?

It was snowing till yesterday Kinnaur side. Ever heard of snowfall mid-may? Also, it is flowering season for Apples this time, and here we have snowfall.

[PGA]

54 Dead In 72 Hours At UP Hospital; "Not Due To Heat," Says Probe Team

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/heat...e-heat-4130837

Where is the need to be in denial, nature did not prepare us for sustaining above wet bulb temp of 35 degC

[AltoLXI]

Earth's average temperature hit a record high of 17.18C on Wednesday per Climate reanalyzer report.



Link

[alpha1]

Originally Posted by v1p3r

No one cares, I am beginning to realise. The risk reward ratio is asymmetric. The world's decisions are made by old white men, who have little to lose with climate change. They'll all be dead anyway. Now there is some hope that a lot of money will pour into climate, like some sort of silver bullet. Again, the investment industry expects asymmetric and short term results, neither of which describes climate action.

Enjoy the next ten years, because it's all going to go up in flames. Literally.

Why blame the old white man only?
Everyone has his own (personally justified) reasons to continue with the existing lifestyle and not give up on goods/services that contribute to "global warming / climate change".

I am not ready to give up on my car and travel in crowded buses, metros and local trains and also factor in a considerable walk on the streets to commute from one place to another.

Or give up on air-conditioning and "suffer" in the heat and humidity of the Indian subcontinent.

[V.Narayan]

Originally Posted by AltoLXI

Earth's average temperature hit a record high of 17.18C on Wednesday per Climate reanalyzer report.

Link

https://www.livemint.com/science/new...681948021.html

Thank you for sharing this alongwith that graph.

The UN secretary general has said that “climate change is out of control”, as an unofficial analysis of data from the University of Maine’s Climate Reanalyzer Group showed that average world temperatures in the seven days to Wednesday 5th July 23 were the hottest week on record with Wednesday 5th July 23 as the hottest day globally ever at 17.18 degress C.

Chances are that the month of July 2023 will be the warmest ever, and with it the hottest month ever … ‘ever’ meaning since the Eemian interglacial period some 120,000 years ago.

Overall, one of the largest contributors to this week’s heat records is an exceptionally mild winter in the Antarctic. Parts of the continent and nearby ocean were 10-20C (18-36F) higher than averages from 1979 to 2000. Using the mid-point of 15 degrees C - to grasp a 15 degree C warmer summer would be roughly like an average after noon temperature in Mumbai of 47 to 50 degrees C, in Bangalore of 40 to 43 degrees C and in Delhi of 53 to 57 degrees C.

[v1p3r]

Originally Posted by alpha1

Why blame the old white man only?
Everyone has his own (personally justified) reasons to continue with the existing lifestyle and not give up on goods/services that contribute to "global warming / climate change".

I am not ready to give up on my car and travel in crowded buses, metros and local trains and also factor in a considerable walk on the streets to commute from one place to another.

Or give up on air-conditioning and "suffer" in the heat and humidity of the Indian subcontinent.

Because old white men and the decisions they make to run businesses and countries they run, are the cause of all this. Your car and AC will run for 100 years and not have the negative impact on the environment that one Buffet or Gates or DiCaprio has when they fly in their private jets to a 'climate conference'.

If you were to see how the West wastes food and energy, it would boggle your mind as a regular upper middle-class Indian.

[Sebring]

Not just the West, but Middle East as well

Originally Posted by v1p3r

If you were to see how the West wastes food and energy, it would boggle your mind as a regular upper middle-class Indian.

[ninjatalli]

Originally Posted by v1p3r

Because old white men and the decisions they make to run businesses and countries they run, are the cause of all this. Your car and AC will run for 100 years and not have the negative impact on the environment that one Buffet or Gates or DiCaprio has when they fly in their private jets to a 'climate conference'.

If you were to see how the West wastes food and energy, it would boggle your mind as a regular upper middle-class Indian.

It's not the matter of you and I but rather the US vs China vs India (/etc.) - how much impact they can make. Individually each of us can do a lot but the larger impact is created when governments update their laws to support the environment more and through that force corporations and their respective population to follow. The good and bad of it is each country will have to solve it differently; for us it might be a very minor impact per individual but a larger impact for the industries (e.g. power production). But for US citizens, it might mean a significant impact per individual and also a large impact for their industries.

Currently everyone's escaping by using the same reason - pointing fingers at each other. Factually the top CO2 emitters (in decreasing order) are as below; and just the top 5 easily make up more than 50% of total CO2 emissions
1. China
2. US
3. India
4. EU Block
5. Russia


Source: Stastica data for 2021 emissions


The white man might have created this problem, but the solution needs to be owned by all; especially the top 5. Ironically (and cruelly for select populations) the climate change effects seen by all - extreme heat, droughts, forest fires, hurricanes, flooding, etc. will be the catalyst to get these countries actively involved. WHEN is the million dollar question.

[dragracer567]

Originally Posted by v1p3r

Because old white men and the decisions they make to run businesses and countries they run, are the cause of all this. Your car and AC will run for 100 years and not have the negative impact on the environment that one Buffet or Gates or DiCaprio has when they fly in their private jets to a 'climate conference'.

If you were to see how the West wastes food and energy, it would boggle your mind as a regular upper middle-class Indian.

Or one Ambani, Adani, Ratan Tata, Sharukh Khan, Akshay Kumar, Jack Ma, anyone from BTS, anyone from the Gulf royal families, those Nigerian princes who email you asking for money ....................

The fact is, rich countries (many of whom are predominantly white) will inevitably use more resources. Energy wastages in the Gulf would be eye-watering even by Western standards while Chinese state-owned companies emit as much CO2 as entire countries like Pakistan.

I don't think blaming 'old white men' is really going to help or is even true unless you live in the 1980s - the world is more diverse that that.

[ValarMorghulis]

Saw a video yesterday.

- 70% of crop on this planet is grown for animals for human consumption
- 30% of fresh water is used for these animals
- Yet only 30% of calories are provided by animal consumption

Googled to cross-verify and sure enough, it is all true. The animal food industry is one of the largest polluters in the world and contributes significantly to carbon emissions.
In fact, food industry contributes more emissions than transport.
Transport=16.2% | Food industry=18.4% Link

Never felt so guilty on being a non-vegetarian.

[NomadSK]

Originally Posted by ninjatalli

The white man might have created this problem, but the solution needs to be owned by all

They are the ones who are proactively finding the solutions for the glitches too. I agree, they started it and we are the ones to keep that legacy ongoing.

Have been indirectly involved on a project "Carbon capture and storage", in short, the process is like,

1. Capture the CO2 at the source. (Atmosphere/refineries/Thermal Power Plants/Cement Plants etc.)

2. Once captured will be transported to some geological storage facilities.

3. CO2 will be injected deep into rock formations and stored there forever (Safely). The depth can range from 1-3kms under earth’s crust

I don't know how bad is it to store CO2 deep within the earth's crust (I bet a lot of brain storming must have done prior to reaching to this idea). But I feel All is not bad, it’s a work in progress to undo the damage which have been caused due to the industrialization over ages. Catch 22 situation.

Environmentally speaking, this is the new "in-thing" for the coming decades. Countries having developed this technology and storage facility will have the upper hand. Subjected to people at higher ups are actually serious about global warming and it' s not only a lip service. Also, such large-scale offshore/onshore CO2 storage is a viable means to help meet net-zero carbon emissions over a period of time. I hope the world has sufficient technical prowess and commitment to achieve this.


https://https://www.aramco.com/en/su...on-and-storage

https://https://totalenergies.com/pr...torage-project

Along the Norwegian coast, Northern Lights is the first cross-border value chain project to offer European industrial companies a solution for safely and permanently storing their CO2 emissions 2600 meters under the seabed. Operational from 2024, the Phase 1 installations are scheduled to come on stream in 2024, with the ability to handle 1.5 million tons of CO2 per year. Our ambition is to extend to 5 million tons by 2026. This project, the first of its kind worldwide, is a major milestone in the decarbonization of heavy industry in Europe.

Finally, nature can act as a natural carbon sink. Mangrove trees, for example, sequester carbon far more effectively and permanently than terrestrial forests. Alternatively, CO2 can be sequestered by cultivating algae, which can be harvested and processed to produce useful products like biofuel and protein-rich animal feed.

[am1m]

Originally Posted by ValarMorghulis

Never felt so guilty on being a non-vegetarian.

I don't think you should, not from a greenhouse gas emissions perspective, at least. (On the cruelty aspect, I really don't know- that's something I struggle with too. But since this is the climate change thread...)

I'm guessing like most of us non-vegetarians in India, that means primarily chicken. Which is still a higher impact food than a pure vegetarian diet, but is less than the impact of cattle rearing. Plus one thing we tend to forget is most cattle in India are reared here for milk, we're by far the largest milk producers in the world.

So unless everyone goes vegan (no more paneer, milk, ghee, etc.) that cattle-emissions/climate impact remains. (Sorry vegetarians! )

The bigger point I think has been reflected in the previous posts as well-

Any human activity will have an impact. So unless we all take a collective decision to go into self-extinction, we should probably move on from blaming "this" or "that" section of society/demographic for their higher emissions in the past/present.

Stop making a virtue of low(er)-impact habits that we practice because we were probably raised with them (vegetarianism/non-vegetarianism), or because it's what works for us (having children/not, driving a big car/not) rather than because we want to "help the world". And instead look inward to what each of us can do to help.

While realizing of course, that ultimately, only large-scale government regulation on several fronts will really make a difference.