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Old 29th July 2019, 13:02   #136
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Question about the TI technique (as far as I can see from the video, TI is basically the same as the freestyle but without using the feet) vis-a-vis reducing lap time, am confused about how not using the feet to kick while swimming, or only one kick per stroke is faster? Shouldn't it be the opposite? If you kick continuously, with proper freestyle technique, won't you be faster? TI might be more efficient and might help one swim longer (though even then, won't using your entire body help with that too?), but am thinking just in terms of lap time.

Or is the time reduction happening because the freestyle technique in the first place, before taking up TI, was flawed? Like keeping the head above the water, or raising the head each time a breath needs to be taken, something like that?
I will jot down my observations on this. (Hope these makes sense - since I am a person who learnt swimming just 5 years back & so am a novice).
To me TI is a refinement of freestyle. The basic rules of freestyle still apply (like head position).
The first improvement I experienced was the way my hands & body moved thru' the water post TI. Earlier, I used to feel a lot of water resistance on my hands while swimming freestyle & hence used to kick frenetically, to overcome this.
When I started twisting my body & using my core to cut through the water (as in TI), my hands felt as if they move thru' the water with not much effort. I guess - as a result I did not feel the need to kick frenetically & slowed my kick-speed which contributed to me not feeling tired. All this was happening even while my speed was increasing. (I am yet to master the 2 kick-glide technique, but now my current "continuous kick" feels less strenuous).

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To me TI is a refinement of freestyle. The basic rules of freestyle still apply (like head position).
When I started twisting my body & using my core to cut through the water (as in TI), my hands felt as if they move thru' the water with not much effort. I guess - as a result I did not feel the need to kick frenetically & slowed my kick-speed which contributed to me not feeling tired.
Thank you, this has been very helpful in making me understand a bit more about TI.

Most good coaches for advanced swimmers from the university level up will also emphasize core utilization and optimizing your kick and breathing cycle for each swimmer to achieve their individual best and most efficient performance.

So essentially, it does seem like TI is basically freestyle done correctly. (and of course packaged and branded and monetized )
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Thank you, this has been very helpful in making me understand a bit more about TI.

Most good coaches for advanced swimmers from the university level up will also emphasize core utilization and optimizing your kick and breathing cycle for each swimmer to achieve their individual best and most efficient performance.
This was the point I was trying to make a few posts earlier as well. Looks like it is all down to what level of coaching one gets. I was lucky to get trained by coaches who trained state level athletes so probably picked up the right techniques and don't seem to be enamored enough by TI to change to it from freestyle.
This seems to be a great tool for people who can be self-taught or who have been taught incorrectly and want to self-improve.
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AJ has very clearly explained his experience. My experience is also almost similar. I will just add a few points.

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Is TI just normal freestyle re-packaged?
The short answer is Yes. TI is just normal freestyle with some tweaks that focus more on efficiency than explosive power. The two main changes between regular free style and TI are the 2 beat kick vs. 4 or 6 beat kick, and the way the hands are synced. In regular free style, usually, the propelling arm starts a little before the recovering hand enters water. In TI, the propelling arm starts the stroke only after the recovering hand enters water. Because of this you always maintain the spear position which reduces drag. But the 2 beat kick will take away some propulsion.

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TI is basically the same as the freestyle but without using the feet) vis-a-vis reducing lap time, am confused about how not using the feet to kick while swimming, or only one kick per stroke is faster?
No. One kick per stroke (called the 2 beat kick in TI) is not faster, but just easier. I have experimented with both the 2 beat kick and the continuous flutter kick. I definitely used to get a little faster lap time with the continuous kick, but it used to be a little strenuous and I used to get tired after 100 meters. But when I switch to the two beat kick, I could swim without getting tired. The longest continuous swim I have done is 2.5km (100 lengths of the 25m pool). I would never be able to do this with the continuous flutter kick (at least with the level of fitness I have).

This definitely does not mean you cannot do long distance swimming with the flutter kick. I have seen very fit swimmers who do the regular freestyle complete a 5km open water swim in just under an hour. So, it all comes to how fit someone is. For an average or below average guy like me, TI makes much more sense than the conventional freestyle.

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This seems to be a great tool for people who can be self-taught or who have been taught incorrectly and want to self-improve.
Totally agree with this. TI is very helpful for those who started swimming late in life and those who have developed a wrong technique. If you had the right training and had developed proper form, I don't think there is a need to change to TI.

As I was never a good swimmer to begin with, I really do not know if TI will be useful to a pro level swimmer

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But when I switch to the two beat kick, I could swim without getting tired. The longest continuous swim I have done is 2.5km (100 lengths of the 25m pool). I would never be able to do this with the continuous flutter kick (at least with the level of fitness I have).
This is very useful real-world info, I too have a lack of endurance and fitness, so am going to try the 2-beat kick and see if it helps.

(Though, as an aside I remember my coach telling us that if you really needed to cover long distances in open water, the breast-stroke works best.)

Thanks all the contributors for clearing up the confusion about TI and freestyle!
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I was lucky to get trained by coaches who trained state level athletes so probably picked up the right techniques and don't seem to be enamored enough by TI to change to it from freestyle.
This seems to be a great tool for people who can be self-taught or who have been taught incorrectly and want to self-improve.
For most coaches, their maximum audience is athletic younger people. Here basic technique allied with age & athletic ability (AA) does the trick. (Efficiency is not given much thought especially for short pool swims).
When it comes to teaching a middle-aged average joe with a paunch. (somebody like me), efficiency in the water matters far more since age & AA are not on your side. I think this is where TI really helps.

To begin with I was very skeptical of TI too. About 2.5 years back I was doing 1 km in under 22 mins in regular freestyle. Subsequently I had cervical spondylosis along with a pinched nerve which almost incapacitated my right hand for a few days). When I started swimming again, I found I had lost most of the strength in my right hand & it took 30 mins to do 1km (alternating between freestyle & breast-stroke). I found I could not swim 1km freestyle at all. (I tried several times).

Post this I started experimenting with TI & I feel it has certainly helped me. I am back to swimming 40 laps of 25m in freestyle with hardly any fatigue.
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Post this I started experimenting with TI & I feel it has certainly helped me. I am back to swimming 40 laps of 25m in freestyle with hardly any fatigue.
I guess it also depends on what you are looking to achieve. Due to being young and aim being trying to participate in competitions, we used to be more worried about sprints rather than endurance training. I don't remember doing more than 8 laps at a stretch when training at our 25m pool. Usually, I used to prefer just 4 laps or 100m as I preferred speed over endurance and was quite fast despite my smaller height.
So even 15 years later, now, when I enter a pool, my mentality leads me to go for speed rather than continuity. I still find it difficult to control myself and I usually try and achieve 4-5 strokes before I take another breath, even though my lung capacity has fallen a lot over the years.

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