Under-aged Drivers

w 12 · 5th May 2006, 12:59

I find too many underaged drivers on powerful 2 and 4 wheelers in Bangalore these days.

They zip in and out of traffic and have no respect for other roadusers & pedestrians.

I think they are a menace...and the police seem to be keeping their eyes closed on this...

( A highschool kid on a karizma banged into my freinds Optra braking taillights last night and he was DUI )

Wheeliej · 5th May 2006, 16:00

its not their fault; they are offsprings of 'more money than brains' parents.

naveendhyani · 5th May 2006, 16:27

in case of underage drivers the vehicle should not only b impounded but should b publicly crushed in a piece of metal. there is no justification for underage driving. we are "supposed" to be the learned people and should set an example for everybody.

Neo. · 5th May 2006, 16:34

May be it makes more sense to reduce age for issuing DL and at the same time have better rules and regulations in place. We need to understand that most students need vehicles to travel to college, tuitions... So I think we are better off legalising the process and at the same time making them a lot more responsible. There is also a need for a proper driver's education system before issuing a DL.

In the US driving age is determined by the state or province, with the most common age being sixteen. Most states and provinces also have restricted driver's licenses (also called learner's permits), which allow a person to drive provided they are accompanied by a licensed driver.

Alaska: Small Motorcycle: 14 years; Automobile: 14 years (Learner's Permit) / 16 years (License)
Connecticut: 16 years, 6 months
Georgia: 15 years (learner's permit), must have learner's permit for one year and one day before applying for license
Hawaii: 18 years
Idaho : 15 years (in daylight)
Indiana: 16 years, 1 month
Kansas: 14 years, with parent
Maryland: 15 years, 9 months (learner's permit) and must have learner's permit for six months before applying for license (so 16 years, 3 months)
Massachusetts: 17 years, 6 months
Michigan: 14 years, 9 months (with parent)
Mississippi: 15 years
Montana: 15 years
Nevada : 15 years, 6 months (learner's permit), 16 years old (license)
New Jersey: 17 years (with some restrictions)
New York: 16 (Junior License, graduated from Junior Permit and Junior Limited License) Full License: 18 or 17 (with Driver's Education)
South Carolina: 15 years
South Dakota: 14 years, 6 or 9 months (6am-10pm)
Tennessee: 15 years (with parent)
Virginia: 16 years, 3 months

source: wikipedia

PS: Minimum age is 16 years for small motorcycles (50cc or less) in India, should be increased to125 cc or 150 cc, atleast you have more vehicles in that band.

karthik247 · 5th May 2006, 16:47

Now that makes me wanna live in USA. They get license before 15 years!!!!

Zappo · 5th May 2006, 18:31

The problem with many of these, particularly the ones in cars is that they are more often than not the kids of really wealthy and influential parents. The moment they are captured by the cops they call up their saviours. The next thing the cops know is that they get a stern call "let that boy go, immediately".

A while back there was a case in Hyderabad where a kid hit a woman at night. The kid was obviously DUI and was driving a car too big for his size (skoda). The cops had to let the kid go as he was from some influential family. In doing this they expounded the idea that the woman was walking in the middle of the road in a drunken state!!! Just imagine... what a farce.

Godfather · 5th May 2006, 18:43

I know of one such member in the forum..hehe... drives without a valid lisence.. but he is a safe driver...That i can vouch for...

koooliooo · 5th May 2006, 19:20

i too hate underage drivers but i would like to add 1 thing - we love doing things tht we are not supposed to do . like say a fat guy is not supposed to have cheese but if u notice carefully - he cannot live without cheese . parents who stop their children from smoking , their children are completey addicted to it . and about driving , before the age of 18 is the time , trust me , when you enjoy driving the most . that feeling we get like ( duuudeee,, im freeaakin drivin ) is class and u can never get that once your 18 , etc , etc . hope you guys understandin what im tryin to convey .

Lukeskywalker · 5th May 2006, 19:30

This happened today on the way back from my workplace, there is an engineering college on the Doddaballapur road, an accent viva suddenly comes zooming on to the state highway from the college gate without bothering to check for oncoming or like directional traffic, i was doing about 60kmph and saw him coming out, i eased on the throttle slightly assuming he'd have checked on either side of the road before moving into it, but he just came on as i drew abreast and continued to move left pushing me off the road in the process, all the while i had my hand on the horn button.
i allowed him to go ahead, then overtook him and signalled him to stop at the same time putting my optra in front of his car. Got off and found a bunch of scared kids and the driver, a kid again, mumbling "i had the indicator on" took his trip and asked him to be more careful on the road, he kept nodding and seemed glad that i didn't get nasty.
I mean what are the parents thinking when they give vehicles to their kids who have no sense of safety or skill to be on the roads, this kid looked like he'd got the car out without his folks knowing it.

Fiero · 5th May 2006, 20:47

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Originally Posted by Zappo

The problem with many of these, particularly the ones in cars is that they are more often than not the kids of really wealthy and influential parents. The moment they are captured by the cops they call up their saviours. The next thing the cops know is that they get a stern call "let that boy go, immediately".

This is exactly why this happens ... either they know they can get away or they think its 'not a big deal' , 'who cares' . we need some well-payed morally correct cops out there who are empowered to deal with such cases and not prone to being influenced . but the way things go now either the cop will be bribed and he'll accept it , or he'll be transferred by his seniors who told him to 'let the kid go', if he tries to do the correct thing.

Fiero · 5th May 2006, 20:54

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Originally Posted by koooliooo

i too hate underage drivers but i would like to add 1 thing - we love doing things tht we are not supposed to do . like say a fat guy is not supposed to have cheese but if u notice carefully - he cannot live without cheese . parents who stop their children from smoking , their children are completey addicted to it . and about driving , before the age of 18 is the time , trust me , when you enjoy driving the most . that feeling we get like ( duuudeee,, im freeaakin drivin ) is class and u can never get that once your 18 , etc , etc . hope you guys understandin what im tryin to convey .

absolutely ... but thats no excuse for being a commensurate nimrod with no respect for others , including the other idiots in the car whose lives are also in danger ... most bad drivers below 21 you see on the road are the ones who started driving underage and suffered from the 'i gotta be the cool dude' syndrome at the time, which often carries on through their college years ... no-brainers !!!

Neo. · 5th May 2006, 20:57

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Originally Posted by Lukeskywalker

i allowed him to go ahead, then overtook him and signalled him to stop at the same time putting my optra in front of his car. Got off and ......

This is what is technically called road-rage. May be he was wrong but that does not give you the right to flag down his car. It's the job of the cops. May be they will do something may be they wont. But what you have done is definitely something an educated motorist shouldn't be doing. Please don't take this the wrong way, I just find these kinds of things to be a trend on Indian roads. The macho, mature thing, it looks stupid and bollywoodish.

Just note down his number give a call to the police, that is just what a fellow motorist can do according to the law. The police is the law enforcement agency not you. Anything you do apart from this is actually illegal.

Hypothetically, if you were in any of the western countries the guy in the car would be within his rights to call the cops and then complain saying you chased him and tried to asault him or whatever. Just that in India the law cannot be enforced either ways.

redrage · 5th May 2006, 21:26

i defn find what hluke has done is a better choice... its not bollywoodish and machoish its just gettin some plain sense into the underaged's head which the cop has 10% chance of doing... cops just fine and get off... someone scaring these type of maniacs is much deserved... just my 50 cents..

Boom Shiva · 5th May 2006, 21:51

I agree with what Luke did. I'd probably do the exact same thing. Let's face it, we live in India not some Utopia.

The cops aren't exactly inspiring cause whoever's got more money can buy them. By scaring the kid, for all you know, Luke saved someone from serious injury a few kms down the road.

jango · 5th May 2006, 21:54

Yes you are right. b'lore is full of kids who just rip throught the traffic w/o any Licence nor any concerns towards the public. The cops need to take some strict action on these kids. The best thing is seize their bikes, call up their parents and make the pay for it.

5th May 2006, 12:59	#1
w 12 BHPian Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: bangalore Posts: 402 Thanked: 27 Times	Under-aged Drivers I find too many underaged drivers on powerful 2 and 4 wheelers in Bangalore these days. They zip in and out of traffic and have no respect for other roadusers & pedestrians. I think they are a menace...and the police seem to be keeping their eyes closed on this... ( A highschool kid on a karizma banged into my freinds Optra braking taillights last night and he was DUI )
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5th May 2006, 16:00	#2
Wheeliej BHPian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 284 Thanked: 47 Times	its not their fault; they are offsprings of 'more money than brains' parents.
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5th May 2006, 16:27	#3
naveendhyani BHPian Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Melbourne Posts: 542 Thanked: 9 Times	in case of underage drivers the vehicle should not only b impounded but should b publicly crushed in a piece of metal. there is no justification for underage driving. we are "supposed" to be the learned people and should set an example for everybody.
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5th May 2006, 16:34	#4
Neo. BHPian Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: NYC Posts: 51 Thanked: Once	May be it makes more sense to reduce age for issuing DL and at the same time have better rules and regulations in place. We need to understand that most students need vehicles to travel to college, tuitions... So I think we are better off legalising the process and at the same time making them a lot more responsible. There is also a need for a proper driver's education system before issuing a DL. In the US driving age is determined by the state or province, with the most common age being sixteen. Most states and provinces also have restricted driver's licenses (also called learner's permits), which allow a person to drive provided they are accompanied by a licensed driver. Alaska: Small Motorcycle: 14 years; Automobile: 14 years (Learner's Permit) / 16 years (License) Connecticut: 16 years, 6 months Georgia: 15 years (learner's permit), must have learner's permit for one year and one day before applying for license Hawaii: 18 years Idaho : 15 years (in daylight) Indiana: 16 years, 1 month Kansas: 14 years, with parent Maryland: 15 years, 9 months (learner's permit) and must have learner's permit for six months before applying for license (so 16 years, 3 months) Massachusetts: 17 years, 6 months Michigan: 14 years, 9 months (with parent) Mississippi: 15 years Montana: 15 years Nevada : 15 years, 6 months (learner's permit), 16 years old (license) New Jersey: 17 years (with some restrictions) New York: 16 (Junior License, graduated from Junior Permit and Junior Limited License) Full License: 18 or 17 (with Driver's Education) South Carolina: 15 years South Dakota: 14 years, 6 or 9 months (6am-10pm) Tennessee: 15 years (with parent) Virginia: 16 years, 3 months source: wikipedia PS: Minimum age is 16 years for small motorcycles (50cc or less) in India, should be increased to125 cc or 150 cc, atleast you have more vehicles in that band. Last edited by Neo. : 5th May 2006 at 16:40.
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5th May 2006, 16:47	#5
karthik247 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: BLR, HYD Posts: 2,710 Thanked: 30 Times	Now that makes me wanna live in USA. They get license before 15 years!!!!
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5th May 2006, 18:31	#6
Zappo Team-BHP Support Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Hyderabad Posts: 5,907 Thanked: 2,746 Times	The problem with many of these, particularly the ones in cars is that they are more often than not the kids of really wealthy and influential parents. The moment they are captured by the cops they call up their saviours. The next thing the cops know is that they get a stern call "let that boy go, immediately". A while back there was a case in Hyderabad where a kid hit a woman at night. The kid was obviously DUI and was driving a car too big for his size (skoda). The cops had to let the kid go as he was from some influential family. In doing this they expounded the idea that the woman was walking in the middle of the road in a drunken state!!! Just imagine... what a farce.
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5th May 2006, 18:43	#7
Godfather Senior - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Bangalore / Atlanta Posts: 1,387 Thanked: 71 Times View My Garage	I know of one such member in the forum..hehe... drives without a valid lisence.. but he is a safe driver...That i can vouch for...
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5th May 2006, 19:20	#8
koooliooo BANNED Join Date: May 2006 Location: bombay Posts: 5 Thanked: 0 Times	i too hate underage drivers but i would like to add 1 thing - we love doing things tht we are not supposed to do . like say a fat guy is not supposed to have cheese but if u notice carefully - he cannot live without cheese . parents who stop their children from smoking , their children are completey addicted to it . and about driving , before the age of 18 is the time , trust me , when you enjoy driving the most . that feeling we get like ( duuudeee,, im freeaakin drivin ) is class and u can never get that once your 18 , etc , etc . hope you guys understandin what im tryin to convey .
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5th May 2006, 19:30	#9
Lukeskywalker Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 1,396 Thanked: 1,244 Times View My Garage	This happened today on the way back from my workplace, there is an engineering college on the Doddaballapur road, an accent viva suddenly comes zooming on to the state highway from the college gate without bothering to check for oncoming or like directional traffic, i was doing about 60kmph and saw him coming out, i eased on the throttle slightly assuming he'd have checked on either side of the road before moving into it, but he just came on as i drew abreast and continued to move left pushing me off the road in the process, all the while i had my hand on the horn button. i allowed him to go ahead, then overtook him and signalled him to stop at the same time putting my optra in front of his car. Got off and found a bunch of scared kids and the driver, a kid again, mumbling "i had the indicator on" took his trip and asked him to be more careful on the road, he kept nodding and seemed glad that i didn't get nasty. I mean what are the parents thinking when they give vehicles to their kids who have no sense of safety or skill to be on the roads, this kid looked like he'd got the car out without his folks knowing it.
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5th May 2006, 21:26	#13
redrage BHPian Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Bengaluru Posts: 557 Thanked: 106 Times	i defn find what hluke has done is a better choice... its not bollywoodish and machoish its just gettin some plain sense into the underaged's head which the cop has 10% chance of doing... cops just fine and get off... someone scaring these type of maniacs is much deserved... just my 50 cents..
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5th May 2006, 21:51	#14
Boom Shiva BANNED Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Mumbai Posts: 1,044 Thanked: 19 Times	I agree with what Luke did. I'd probably do the exact same thing. Let's face it, we live in India not some Utopia. The cops aren't exactly inspiring cause whoever's got more money can buy them. By scaring the kid, for all you know, Luke saved someone from serious injury a few kms down the road.
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5th May 2006, 21:54	#15
jango BHPian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: New York & kotayam Posts: 800 Thanked: 23 Times View My Garage	Yes you are right. b'lore is full of kids who just rip throught the traffic w/o any Licence nor any concerns towards the public. The cops need to take some strict action on these kids. The best thing is seize their bikes, call up their parents and make the pay for it.
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