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Old 20th February 2021, 11:53   #1
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The order issued on Thursday by Ramesh Kumar, Assistant Commissioner of Police Traffic (East) said that 'all vehicles displaying caste identities will be penalised'.

Gurugram: Vehicles displaying caste identities to face action-img_20210220_115126.jpgThis is essentially done to assert caste identity depending on the party power.

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Gurugram: Vehicles displaying caste identities in Gurugram will now invite traffic police action, according to an official order.

The order issued on Thursday by Ramesh Kumar, Assistant Commissioner of Police Traffic (East) said that 'all vehicles displaying caste identities will be penalised'.

"As per the court directions, we have directed all the traffic officials to take action against vehicles displaying caste identities, specially on number plates," said the ACP.

"According to the traffic police, every 20th vehicle is found carrying such a sticker. So in compliance with the court orders we will ensure action against such vehicle owners," he added.

Stickers on cars, motorcycles and other vehicles, exhibiting castes like Yadav, Jat, Gurjar, Brahmin, Saini, Thakur and Raghav are used to assert social status.

"Such stickers should not be pasted on the vehicle number plates. Necessary action will be initiated as per the traffic norms against those guilty of this offence," he added.

"First time the offending vehicles will be warned and if they again are found disobeying traffic norms. They will be fined," Kumar said.
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Old 20th February 2021, 11:57   #2
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Very appropriate, definitely in Haryana. Only those display their castes where a reputation for aggression and a "don't mess with me bro" has already been established by certain members of that community.
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Is this for such identities or identities on number plates? It is illegal to have anything but the registration number on the number plate.
As a corollary, what's the stand on identities on rear windshields?

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... and a "don't mess with me bro" has already been established by certain members of that community.
That's not restricted to only vehicles. Was reminded of this
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"Such stickers should not be pasted on the vehicle number plates. Necessary action will be initiated as per the traffic norms against those guilty of this offence," he added.
Does this mean that the stickers can be pasted anywhere else on vehicle? Not good.
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Old 20th February 2021, 15:14   #5
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Does this mean that the stickers can be pasted anywhere else on vehicle? Not good.
I don't think there can be any legal action against any sticker on vehicles unless it is hate speech. You cannot take action against a sticker saying "XYZ caste" but you can if the message is "down with XYZ caste".

Registration plate is a different matter - and this is not because it is caste, but even a team BHP sticker covering the number plate is illegal.
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Apart from RTO rules of registration plate compliance, is this legally enforceable? Won't this infringe upon freedom of expression?
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Old 20th February 2021, 19:00   #7
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On a lighter note, not a good move at all to ban these! After all, these stickers alert me to safely steer clear off such vehicles and drivers!

(Do not mean to stereotype, but talking from experience)
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This is essentially done to assert caste identity depending on the party power.
  • Although I think this looks really grotesque, as long as the license plate is clearly visible, this should not cause a problem to anyone!
  • The Mercedes in the OP could be fined even otherwise for not having a rear license plate. Whatís the purpose for a separate legal order?
  • We are being forced to wear masks in our own cars, drive with apps or donít get to drive on national highways, get our communityís stickers forcefully removed from our cars, not allowed to pay by cash at tollbooths (as if it is not a currency), and now these guys have kicked it up a notch by not permitting us to display the stickers of our choice! I donít know where the oppression would end.
  • Whatís wrong with asserting caste identity? infact it is not even asserting, it is merely displaying your caste identity.
  • This sticker may be used to show a ďDonít mess with me, Iím a XYZĒ, but if an incident of road rage or bullying takes place, surely the accused can be trialled under our legal system[m?
  • Dear Team-BHP members, we protest for safer cars, better norms, better roads etc. We are missing these smaller points, which are equally important. About these, we should spread more awareness. This law seems totally oppressive and suppressive , and if not the law, Ramesh Kumarís statement definitely infringes our rights.

Or have I missed anything? P.S. what is the fine? More extortion?

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An interesting video on the same issue showing the offender's perspective. At 3:21 you can see that warnings or challans do not matter to them.

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https://www.Youtube.com/watch?v=sgEq0HSsAQc
An interesting video on the same issue showing the offender's perspective. At 3:21 you can see that warnings or challans do not matter to them.
- Most of the people in the video actually seem proud of their community ancestry, which is a great thing.

- What is really unacceptable that they have issued a legal order to ban us from putting these stickers on our cars.

- I love their spirit. People like us comply to whatever the cops say. These guys would keep paying challan but wonít let that curb their rights or freedom. More people should be like them.

- BTW, ĎTwas a really informative video, thanks for sharing
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To all the gentlemen, who are trying to justify it in the name of caste identity, freedom of expression, culture tradition etc. Please accept, caste system is our version of apartheid/racism. We eat up resources of underprivileged classes in name of tradition. Earlier we get rid of this disease, faster our society would heal. Do it for your kids.
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How come only the so-called "upper castes" are proudly flaunting their caste identities? Clearly, the sooner the evil of caste based discrimination is done away with the better it is for the country. Sadly, it seems the caste identities are hardcoded in the DNA of quite a few (read majority) Indians and this is certainly a form of apartheid/ racism.

Indian media cries foul when an Indians abroad are victims of racism/hate crime but does not bat an eyelid for the centuries old caste based discrimination.

These stickers should most definitely be banned forever. Freedom of expression doesn't give anyone the right to discriminate on the basis of caste/colour/creed/religion etc. These stickers are clearly meant to intimidate members of other castes.
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What happens when folks put stickers and nametags of political party - local and national parties? Similar points (+ve/-ve) apply here too

Have seen a few Activas/cars in my building with national party stickers on their number plates. Also seen a few with party flags (ignoring the ones with the Indian flag) out on their cars.

A similar logic/questioning also applies to those with the "POLICE" and "MEDIA" stickers on their number plates - these have been there since ages. A lot of the times it's not even the individual who's a serving individual - turns out someone in their family (father/brother/etc) is the one in service but everyone riding the scooter tries to get whatever 'benefit' they can gain out of it.

Don't think there's a lot possible here, to be honest.
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I wish...the birth & death certificate displaying caste identities also to face action
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Old 22nd February 2021, 06:38   #15
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This does need to be done but given that the Delhi police has a much larger issue to deal with (farmers agitation fallout besides all the other law and order issues), it is surprising that they picked now of all times to actually enforce this after spending years not caring about it at all.

Talk about Nero fiddling while Rome was burning around him.
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