Inter state travel problem

mrhap · 18th September 2007, 16:18

Guys, need your suggestions.
Last time while travelling from Delhi to Punjab, we had used a private car(this had a private number plate and not the yellow taxi number plates). On the return journey, we were stopped at a checkpost and the driver was asked to pay a hefty fine. Even when he said that it was his friend's car and belonged to common friends, he was told that one is not allowed to use any friend's car just like that,and that he could be using it for commercial purposes and so he had to pay a fine.
Any idea on what the actual funda is? From now on is it advisable to take more expensive taxis vis-a vis the private car operators?

Thanks

rishibravo · 25th September 2007, 11:36

well if you hired a taxi with a private number then it is against the law on the part of the taxi owner. Using a private vehicle for commercial purposes is illegal.

panky12345 · 26th September 2007, 13:29

the cop might have got to know somehow that its a private car, i use a private taxi.... next time be sure to remember the persons name and address on the RC, and if a cop catches, tell him that its your friends car and he's my driver. no probs!

Thad E Ginathom · 26th September 2007, 13:46

Especially on a long journey, it is surely a good idea to have a copy of the car's papers with you.

Once, many years back, I was with a friend, late night, in London. he was stopped by police who said that 'a random check' had shown that the car belonged to an elderly woman, so they wondered why it was full of four young men?

He immediately confirmed this, gave her name an address, showed her insurance documents and was able to easily persuade them that he had, legitimately borrowed the car.

But how did these checkpoint guys know that you were paying for the car/driver?

I guess they just gave themselves the benefit of the doubt, so they could collect money!

mrhap · 26th September 2007, 15:38

That's the point guys. I need clarity on what the actual rule is? On saying that the car is borrowed from a friend , they said that under law you can't borrow a car from anyone other than your immediate family.
If the car has been borrowed from a friend , then the friend has to be in the car otherwise you can't drive it.
Is that the rule?Does anyone know?

vnabhi · 26th September 2007, 16:25

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Originally Posted by mrhap

That's the point guys. I need clarity on what the actual rule is? On saying that the car is borrowed from a friend , they said that under law you can't borrow a car from anyone other than your immediate family.
If the car has been borrowed from a friend , then the friend has to be in the car otherwise you can't drive it.
Is that the rule?Does anyone know?

Hogwash!! The greedy cops have taken you for a ride by playing on your ignorance. You should have asked them to quote the respective law that prevents you from borrowing a pal's car.
Next time it happens, tell 'em you are recording their statements on a video (if you have a cell phone that records), and will sue them if their starements are false.

esteem_lover · 26th September 2007, 16:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrhap

Guys, need your suggestions.
Last time while travelling from Delhi to Punjab, we had used a private car(this had a private number plate and not the yellow taxi number plates). On the return journey, we were stopped at a checkpost and the driver was asked to pay a hefty fine. Even when he said that it was his friend's car and belonged to common friends, he was told that one is not allowed to use any friend's car just like that,and that he could be using it for commercial purposes and so he had to pay a fine.
Any idea on what the actual funda is? From now on is it advisable to take more expensive taxis vis-a vis the private car operators?

Thanks

AFAIK, there is no specific rule that you cannot use your friend's car, but then if that is left unchecked there would be no taxis in india. All cabs would be running on private licenses & saying that All Indians are My Brothers, Sisters & friends, right ?

thefreak · 1st October 2007, 17:24

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Originally Posted by vnabhi

Hogwash!! The greedy cops have taken you for a ride by playing on your ignorance. You should have asked them to quote the respective law that prevents you from borrowing a pal's car.
Next time it happens, tell 'em you are recording their statements on a video (if you have a cell phone that records), and will sue them if their starements are false.

Good as this may sound it may not be a great way to get out of the situation. Easier to state that you are related to the person to whom the car belongs - call him/her and hand the constable the mobile. IMHO try and avoid confrontation with such cops.

sumitkalindi · 23rd October 2007, 20:51

I forgot the clause, and don't know where to find it online, But Motor Vehicles Act says that, if a private car is being driven by some person other than the Owner, and the Owner is not present in the car, the driver/occupants have to carry an authorisation letter from the owner of the vehicle with them.

IMHO you were lucky, that the driver ended up with just a fine for using a private car for rental purpose, and was not charged with Grand Theft Auto. That would heve created lots of hassel on road for all of you.

Thad E Ginathom · 24th October 2007, 02:03

Grand Theft Auto --- sounds rather American. Is that really what it is called in India?

sumitkalindi · 24th October 2007, 10:30

Well trying to describe it, thats the phrase that came to my mind, Too much Movies I suppose.

dadu · 24th October 2007, 11:33

Nobody bothers you with a borrowed car unless the cop is sure that its being used as a private taxi(which they can make out) and you/driver wont just give up so easily if you know you are right, thats how it works.

rider60 · 29th October 2007, 00:54

man this happened to me too in sangli when i and my friends went on goa tour form Hyderabad, the cop stops checks every possible loop hole to fine me, i presented all the papers, all five in my accent viva crdi were wearing seat belts for safety and to avoid hassles , and finally when he ran out of options,
he shows me a rule book in marati which is greek and latin to me, and says that i am not allowed to take my friends in my car only my family members should use the car, and asked me to pay a fine of 5000bucks after a couple of hours of negotiation we paid him 300 and left!
its just to make money that these guys trouble you was a very bad experience though as we ended loosing 2 hours of our precious journey time!

sumitkalindi · 29th October 2007, 10:56

This is rediculous, I can take whoever I wish, in my car, Who the hell are the cops to decide who rides with me in my car??? You GOT royally framed my freind @rider

rider60 · 30th October 2007, 01:52

@sumitkalindi
i first was firm from my side, refused all the crap thrown at me by the cop and negotiated for two hours and just had enough, paid him the 300 finally and left, dint have the patience, should have filmed the incident and publicized this for the cop to learn a lesson but dint strike then as we were all frustrated!

18th September 2007, 16:18	#1
mrhap BHPian Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: DELHI Posts: 39 Thanked: 0 Times	Inter state travel problem Guys, need your suggestions. Last time while travelling from Delhi to Punjab, we had used a private car(this had a private number plate and not the yellow taxi number plates). On the return journey, we were stopped at a checkpost and the driver was asked to pay a hefty fine. Even when he said that it was his friend's car and belonged to common friends, he was told that one is not allowed to use any friend's car just like that,and that he could be using it for commercial purposes and so he had to pay a fine. Any idea on what the actual funda is? From now on is it advisable to take more expensive taxis vis-a vis the private car operators? Thanks
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25th September 2007, 11:36	#2
rishibravo BHPian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: New Delhi Posts: 579 Thanked: 12 Times View My Garage	well if you hired a taxi with a private number then it is against the law on the part of the taxi owner. Using a private vehicle for commercial purposes is illegal.
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26th September 2007, 13:29	#3
panky12345 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: New Delhi Posts: 2,697 Thanked: 172 Times	the cop might have got to know somehow that its a private car, i use a private taxi.... next time be sure to remember the persons name and address on the RC, and if a cop catches, tell him that its your friends car and he's my driver. no probs!
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26th September 2007, 13:46	#4
Thad E Ginathom Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Chennai Posts: 11,451 Thanked: 30,078 Times	Especially on a long journey, it is surely a good idea to have a copy of the car's papers with you. Once, many years back, I was with a friend, late night, in London. he was stopped by police who said that 'a random check' had shown that the car belonged to an elderly woman, so they wondered why it was full of four young men? He immediately confirmed this, gave her name an address, showed her insurance documents and was able to easily persuade them that he had, legitimately borrowed the car. But how did these checkpoint guys know that you were paying for the car/driver? I guess they just gave themselves the benefit of the doubt, so they could collect money!
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26th September 2007, 15:38	#5
mrhap BHPian Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: DELHI Posts: 39 Thanked: 0 Times	That's the point guys. I need clarity on what the actual rule is? On saying that the car is borrowed from a friend , they said that under law you can't borrow a car from anyone other than your immediate family. If the car has been borrowed from a friend , then the friend has to be in the car otherwise you can't drive it. Is that the rule?Does anyone know?
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23rd October 2007, 20:51	#9
sumitkalindi BHPian Join Date: May 2006 Location: Kolkata Posts: 376 Thanked: 17 Times View My Garage	I forgot the clause, and don't know where to find it online, But Motor Vehicles Act says that, if a private car is being driven by some person other than the Owner, and the Owner is not present in the car, the driver/occupants have to carry an authorisation letter from the owner of the vehicle with them. IMHO you were lucky, that the driver ended up with just a fine for using a private car for rental purpose, and was not charged with Grand Theft Auto. That would heve created lots of hassel on road for all of you.
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24th October 2007, 02:03	#10
Thad E Ginathom Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Chennai Posts: 11,451 Thanked: 30,078 Times	Grand Theft Auto --- sounds rather American. Is that really what it is called in India?
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24th October 2007, 10:30	#11
sumitkalindi BHPian Join Date: May 2006 Location: Kolkata Posts: 376 Thanked: 17 Times View My Garage	Well trying to describe it, thats the phrase that came to my mind, Too much Movies I suppose.
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24th October 2007, 11:33	#12
dadu Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2007 Location: Bangalore Posts: 3,800 Thanked: 463 Times View My Garage	Nobody bothers you with a borrowed car unless the cop is sure that its being used as a private taxi(which they can make out) and you/driver wont just give up so easily if you know you are right, thats how it works.
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29th October 2007, 00:54	#13
rider60 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Bhagyanagaram. (A.K.A. Hyderabad) Posts: 1,619 Thanked: 56 Times View My Garage	man this happened to me too in sangli when i and my friends went on goa tour form Hyderabad, the cop stops checks every possible loop hole to fine me, i presented all the papers, all five in my accent viva crdi were wearing seat belts for safety and to avoid hassles , and finally when he ran out of options, he shows me a rule book in marati which is greek and latin to me, and says that i am not allowed to take my friends in my car only my family members should use the car, and asked me to pay a fine of 5000bucks after a couple of hours of negotiation we paid him 300 and left! its just to make money that these guys trouble you was a very bad experience though as we ended loosing 2 hours of our precious journey time!
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29th October 2007, 10:56	#14
sumitkalindi BHPian Join Date: May 2006 Location: Kolkata Posts: 376 Thanked: 17 Times View My Garage	This is rediculous, I can take whoever I wish, in my car, Who the hell are the cops to decide who rides with me in my car??? You GOT royally framed my freind @rider
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30th October 2007, 01:52	#15
rider60 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Bhagyanagaram. (A.K.A. Hyderabad) Posts: 1,619 Thanked: 56 Times View My Garage	@sumitkalindi i first was firm from my side, refused all the crap thrown at me by the cop and negotiated for two hours and just had enough, paid him the 300 finally and left, dint have the patience, should have filmed the incident and publicized this for the cop to learn a lesson but dint strike then as we were all frustrated!
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