CAI will suck only cold air: even if sucking in air just next from the engine :-)

khan_sultan · 28th June 2008, 20:19

I was in GreenTracks today to get the horn of my Palio S10 looked at. There I saw a Black Pailo Stile 1.6 Sports that was undergoing an oil change. I liked the car and struck up a conversation with the owner -- a young chap with oodles of attitude.

The stile 1.6 had a K&N that was placed in a manner similar tothis (picture just for illustration purposes -- not of the stile 1.6. It is of a cedia and taken from a fellow t-bhpians post)

CAI will suck only cold air: even if sucking in air just next from the engine :-)-23474d1214234338tincreaselowendpickupdsc01848copy.jpg

I asked the owner as to why he had the K&N that way and that it would be sucking in hot air and he may not be getting the best out of his K&N. The chap mentioned that it is a CAI so it will suck cold air only

and it doesn't matter where it is. I was puzzled and questioned him again and mentioned that at least he should get a heat shield and he again said that it is a CAI so will suck in cold air ONLY. I did mention that whoever sold him did did not advise him properly and then he mentioned that his brother is a rally driver and CAI will suck cold air only -- irrespective of where it is placed. At this point I realized that the conversation was not going anywhere

so I closed the conversation and moved on.

Question to the gurus here:

Is there ANY merit to the points mentioned by that chap?

In my personal opinion -- that chap was talking rubbish.

vikram_d · 28th June 2008, 20:23

You are right, he is talking absolute rubbish. And you will be surprised at how many people think that this is true.

Steeroid · 28th June 2008, 20:24

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Originally Posted by khan_sultan

The chap mentioned that it is a CAI so it will suck cold air only

and it doesn't matter where it is.

etc
etc
etc
At this point I realized that the conversation was not going anywhere

so I closed the conversation and moved on.

The guy is so full of hot air, no wonder he needed a CAI.

jkdas · 28th June 2008, 20:40

Maybe theres a water cooled thingy inside it which cools the air it has sucked in

You should have said that to him :P

Jaggu · 29th June 2008, 00:31

CAI is Cold Air Intake, so its anybodys guess where to find Cold Air for the intake, its never inside Hot engine bay or near the exhaust side, if you ask me. Biggest mistake which all makes while modding the intake with universal type filters.

ab1xlr8 · 29th June 2008, 00:50

as in the case of the palio qwner,a liitle knowledge is dangerous

rohan_fonseca · 29th June 2008, 00:52

Just a suggestion to protect the young dudes rallying bro. Is it possible that during the legs the car is travelling at higher speeeds to allow more of the fresher air underhood so as to negate the convectional air from the headers and engine itself being sucked in?

muneemmk · 29th June 2008, 01:45

Some People are ignorant, Some are just plain dumb. Ignore the Second Variety.

AbhiJ · 29th June 2008, 02:21

Ignorance is bliss... no?

1self · 29th June 2008, 06:11

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Originally Posted by rohan_fonseca

Just a suggestion to protect the young dudes rallying bro. Is it possible that during the legs the car is travelling at higher speeeds to allow more of the fresher air underhood so as to negate the convectional air from the headers and engine itself being sucked in?

That would be partly true. But one would still get a LOT of warm air from the radiator. So HOT becomes WARM at higher speeds, but in no way COLD!!

greenhorn · 29th June 2008, 07:26

Maybe you should ask him why he has an AC in his car , when his CAI can do the same job

khan_sultan · 29th June 2008, 08:35

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Originally Posted by greenhorn

Maybe you should ask him why he has an AC in his car , when his CAI can do the same job

greenhorn, that's wicked...

...

as rightly said, little knowledge is very dangerous at times.

aaggoswami · 29th June 2008, 09:51

This is wrong. CAI ( Cold Air Intake ) that too near the hot engine wont be able to make the air cold when it passes through the filter, IMO. The person definately is not properly informed about this. Clearly he wont be getting the best of the modification he did.

BTW, does from the image provided, I felt that air intake inlet is also getting hot and in turn the color changed to blue. Is this true ?

Akshay1234 · 29th June 2008, 09:56

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Originally Posted by aaggoswami

BTW, does from the image provided, I felt that air intake inlet is also getting hot and in turn the color changed to blue. Is this true ?

nope thats a pic from torquegurus cedia. its a k&n typhoon kit and the pipe is painted blue.

Thad E Ginathom · 29th June 2008, 10:08

Maybe this was an ICAI: Iintelligent Cold Air Intake!

Maybe it sucks up cold air when the engine is not running, and stores it.

Maybe...

(But I have a feeling I've seen this pic, or very similar, here before, within the past few weeks?)

28th June 2008, 20:19	#1
khan_sultan Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Noida/Bangalore Posts: 4,925 Thanked: 5,853 Times View My Garage	CAI will suck only cold air: even if sucking in air just next from the engine :-) I was in GreenTracks today to get the horn of my Palio S10 looked at. There I saw a Black Pailo Stile 1.6 Sports that was undergoing an oil change. I liked the car and struck up a conversation with the owner -- a young chap with oodles of attitude. The stile 1.6 had a K&N that was placed in a manner similar tothis (picture just for illustration purposes -- not of the stile 1.6. It is of a cedia and taken from a fellow t-bhpians post) I asked the owner as to why he had the K&N that way and that it would be sucking in hot air and he may not be getting the best out of his K&N. The chap mentioned that it is a CAI so it will suck cold air only and it doesn't matter where it is. I was puzzled and questioned him again and mentioned that at least he should get a heat shield and he again said that it is a CAI so will suck in cold air ONLY. I did mention that whoever sold him did did not advise him properly and then he mentioned that his brother is a rally driver and CAI will suck cold air only -- irrespective of where it is placed. At this point I realized that the conversation was not going anywhere so I closed the conversation and moved on. Question to the gurus here: Is there ANY merit to the points mentioned by that chap? In my personal opinion -- that chap was talking rubbish. Last edited by Rehaan : 30th June 2008 at 03:03. Reason: tat = that
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28th June 2008, 20:23	#2
vikram_d Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 2,427 Thanked: 1,185 Times	You are right, he is talking absolute rubbish. And you will be surprised at how many people think that this is true.
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28th June 2008, 20:40	#4
jkdas Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Thiruvananthapu Posts: 9,687 Thanked: 1,492 Times View My Garage	Maybe theres a water cooled thingy inside it which cools the air it has sucked in You should have said that to him :P
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29th June 2008, 00:31	#5
Jaggu Team-BHP Support Join Date: May 2004 Location: Bangalore Posts: 20,215 Thanked: 15,907 Times	CAI is Cold Air Intake, so its anybodys guess where to find Cold Air for the intake, its never inside Hot engine bay or near the exhaust side, if you ask me. Biggest mistake which all makes while modding the intake with universal type filters.
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29th June 2008, 00:50	#6
ab1xlr8 BHPian Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: mumbai Posts: 93 Thanked: Once View My Garage	as in the case of the palio qwner,a liitle knowledge is dangerous
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29th June 2008, 00:52	#7
rohan_fonseca BHPian Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Panaji Posts: 984 Thanked: 8 Times View My Garage	Just a suggestion to protect the young dudes rallying bro. Is it possible that during the legs the car is travelling at higher speeeds to allow more of the fresher air underhood so as to negate the convectional air from the headers and engine itself being sucked in?
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29th June 2008, 01:45	#8
muneemmk BHPian Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Cochin Posts: 832 Thanked: 99 Times View My Garage	Some People are ignorant, Some are just plain dumb. Ignore the Second Variety.
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29th June 2008, 02:21	#9
AbhiJ Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Kolkata Posts: 1,476 Thanked: 1,207 Times	Ignorance is bliss... no?
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29th June 2008, 07:26	#11
greenhorn Senior - BHPian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: KL-01 Posts: 7,745 Thanked: 4,402 Times View My Garage	Maybe you should ask him why he has an AC in his car , when his CAI can do the same job
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29th June 2008, 09:51	#13
aaggoswami Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2007 Location: Vadodara Posts: 4,982 Thanked: 2,931 Times	This is wrong. CAI ( Cold Air Intake ) that too near the hot engine wont be able to make the air cold when it passes through the filter, IMO. The person definately is not properly informed about this. Clearly he wont be getting the best of the modification he did. BTW, does from the image provided, I felt that air intake inlet is also getting hot and in turn the color changed to blue. Is this true ?
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29th June 2008, 10:08	#15
Thad E Ginathom Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Chennai Posts: 11,005 Thanked: 26,445 Times	Maybe this was an ICAI: Iintelligent Cold Air Intake! Maybe it sucks up cold air when the engine is not running, and stores it. Maybe... (But I have a feeling I've seen this pic, or very similar, here before, within the past few weeks?)
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