A very unique tragic accident !!

emkay456 · 19th September 2009, 11:42

Please read this news report of a couple being trapped inside a car (one dead) as petrol ran out and a/c being functional and doors/windows not opening :
Engineer found dead in car in outer Delhi

Quite unbelievable !! How come they could not come out of the car if the electrical power in the car was working. Doors/windows would have opened isnt it. Unfortunately the make of the car is not mentioned.
That so much CO2 could accumulate by the time he managed to open the door and stumble to his death is another astounding info.

KRRaj · 19th September 2009, 12:24

Thats very tragic. From my understanding, once petrol runs out, doesnt the Engine stop and A/C also stop.

Maybe the central locking malfunctioned, I had heard tales of this central locking failing earlier and everyone getting trapped inside the car. Totally freak accident. Poor Guy. RIP.

straightdrive · 19th September 2009, 12:27

Unfortunate incident.

I remember reading reports of people dying in similar fashion in July 2005 in Mumbai - that day of extremely heavy rain. Apparently they got trapped in some place where the water level was too high to open the doors. They kept their AC on, the battery ran out and finally they couldn't open the power windows either.

emkay456 · 19th September 2009, 16:51

Another newsreport has the pic of the car - a santro. Also reported that the car ran out of petrol at 2.30 AM. My suspicion is that both decided to rest off inside the car until morning and the wholde tragedy happened.

Parm · 19th September 2009, 17:44

i feel sorry for the death of the couple.

this is slow death caused by CO2, which accumulates inside the car if the vehicle is kept running idle inside a enclosed place, like a garage!

people are ignorant about this process of CO2 being sucked in by the AC of the car and killing people!

i think the manual of every vehicle in india mentions not to use the car in an enclosed place like a garage!

prince_pervez · 19th September 2009, 17:57

This a case of Carbon monoxide poisoning. Death can occur in sleep as well in such cases.

Sankar · 19th September 2009, 18:04

CO2 poisoning but not because of a running engine since they were out of Petrol and no AC since no fuel. My guess is that windows were closed, fan was running (not AC), the vent was set to recirculation, since it was 230am both dozed off, ratio of Oxygen started dropping inside due to lack of venting and two people breathing inside. Slowly they slipped from sleep into unconsciousness. When the guy slipped back into consciousness probably it was too late. RIP.

I get giddy if driving with AC on and vent set to recirc, even if it's for a short period. I keep it in recirc (edit: not recirc, i meant fresh air mode) always.

beejay · 19th September 2009, 18:07

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Originally Posted by Sankar

CO2 poisoning but not because of a running engine since they were out of Petrol and no AC since no fuel. My guess is that windows were closed, fan was running (not AC), the vent was set to recirculation, since it was 230am both dozed off, ratio of Oxygen started dropping inside due to lack of venting and two people breathing inside. Slowly they slipped from sleep into unconsciousness. When the guy slipped back into consciousness probably it was too late. RIP.

I get giddy if driving with AC on and vent set to recirc, even if it's for a short period. I keep it in recirc always.

I feel the same too. Unfortunate. The car might have run out of fuel and they must have dozed off.

akhilesh51 · 19th September 2009, 18:34

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Originally Posted by KRRaj

Thats very tragic. From my understanding, once petrol runs out, doesnt the Engine stop and A/C also stop.

Maybe the central locking malfunctioned, I had heard tales of this central locking failing earlier and everyone getting trapped inside the car. Totally freak accident. Poor Guy. RIP.

AC does switch off in absence of fuel but blower continues which couple probably didn't notice since they dozed off.

This situation is particularly dangerous because with only blower on (AC off), there is no re-circulation of air which explains why we can go on journeys of over 5 hours and not observe the symptoms and yet it turned out to be fatal for the couple in this case.

Basically, with just blower working off the battery power, a person is effectively choking himself/herself.

There was a case few years back when a driver of logistics company transporting cars to dealer slept in the car with AC on. Since, new cars are supplied with minimum quantity of fuel, the person in this case also succumbed to death due to carbon monoxide poisoning.

Parm · 19th September 2009, 19:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sankar

CO2 poisoning but not because of a running engine since they were out of Petrol and no AC since no fuel. My guess is that windows were closed, fan was running (not AC), the vent was set to recirculation, since it was 230am both dozed off, ratio of Oxygen started dropping inside due to lack of venting and two people breathing inside. Slowly they slipped from sleep into unconsciousness. When the guy slipped back into consciousness probably it was too late. RIP.

I get giddy if driving with AC on and vent set to recirc, even if it's for a short period. I keep it in recirc (edit: not recirc, i meant fresh air mode) always.

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Originally Posted by beejay

I feel the same too. Unfortunate. The car might have run out of fuel and they must have dozed off.

Quote:

Originally Posted by akhilesh51

AC does switch off in absence of fuel but blower continues which couple probably didn't notice since they dozed off.

This situation is particularly dangerous because with only blower on (AC off), there is no re-circulation of air which explains why we can go on journeys of over 5 hours and not observe the symptoms and yet it turned out to be fatal for the couple in this case.

Basically, with just blower working off the battery power, a person is effectively choking himself/herself.

There was a case few years back when a driver of logistics company transporting cars to dealer slept in the car with AC on. Since, new cars are supplied with minimum quantity of fuel, the person in this case also succumbed to death due to carbon monoxide poisoning.

get real guys, its CO2 and nothing else!

its scientifcally proven that CO2 is instrumental in causing slow death!

prince_pervez · 19th September 2009, 19:33

OT: I am wondering why all are calling it CO2 (carbn di-oxide) poisoning. Where as this is a case of CO (carbon mono-oxide) poisoning.

This happened on a flight as well. Flight pilots fell unconcious and so did the passengers. I saw this on Nat Geo Air Crash Investigtions.

Similar incident here: Pair found dead in parked car in carbon monoxide poisoning - The Boston Globe | Encyclopedia.com

lejhoom · 19th September 2009, 19:42

Carbon monoxide poisoning happens in various places: even at homes. People died in Kashmir during winter months when they closed all the crevices in the room to keep chill out but was unaware of the lack of ventilation for the wood fire inside the room.

Sankar · 19th September 2009, 20:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Parm

get real guys, its CO2 and nothing else!

its scientifcally proven that CO2 is instrumental in causing slow death!

Where did i say it's not CO2 (CO)? (Pervez thanks for pointing out it's not CO2 but CO) How do you explain CO without a running engine? Its CO but not from a running engine.

How do i get real?

Ravi Kashyap · 19th September 2009, 21:00

Dinesh, 24, a junior engineer and a Delhi resident, was found dead in a car on Friday. Along with him a girl, a Delhi University student, was found in an unconscious state.

The reports are diffreent. This is what NDTV says.
The car was parked in the garage ..... what else will happen!

----The car was in Dinesh's garage and the AC was turned on. Police sources say they were known to each other from before.

"The preliminary inquiry says that the death was caused because of suffocation," said DCP Atul Katiyar.

But what led to Dinesh's death? The car was parked in a shut garage. The AC was turned on and all four doors of the car were shut. The engine was releasing carbon monoxide - a poisonous gas that didn't find a way out. The gas began to seep inside the car, that first made the people sleep, then unconscious, and slowly killed them.

While the post-mortem report of Dinesh is awaited, the girl is fine and is back home with her family.------

Parm · 20th September 2009, 22:37

my mistake in writing CO as CO2! my apologies!

i was never good in chemistry!

19th September 2009, 11:42	#1
emkay456 BHPian Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Mumbai Posts: 388 Thanked: 7 Times	A very unique tragic accident !! Please read this news report of a couple being trapped inside a car (one dead) as petrol ran out and a/c being functional and doors/windows not opening : Engineer found dead in car in outer Delhi Quite unbelievable !! How come they could not come out of the car if the electrical power in the car was working. Doors/windows would have opened isnt it. Unfortunately the make of the car is not mentioned. That so much CO2 could accumulate by the time he managed to open the door and stumble to his death is another astounding info.
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19th September 2009, 12:24	#2
KRRaj BHPian Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Bangalore Posts: 514 Thanked: 35 Times View My Garage	Thats very tragic. From my understanding, once petrol runs out, doesnt the Engine stop and A/C also stop. Maybe the central locking malfunctioned, I had heard tales of this central locking failing earlier and everyone getting trapped inside the car. Totally freak accident. Poor Guy. RIP.
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19th September 2009, 12:27	#3
straightdrive BHPian Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Hyderabad Posts: 259 Thanked: 5 Times	Unfortunate incident. I remember reading reports of people dying in similar fashion in July 2005 in Mumbai - that day of extremely heavy rain. Apparently they got trapped in some place where the water level was too high to open the doors. They kept their AC on, the battery ran out and finally they couldn't open the power windows either.
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19th September 2009, 16:51	#4
emkay456 BHPian Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Mumbai Posts: 388 Thanked: 7 Times	Another newsreport has the pic of the car - a santro. Also reported that the car ran out of petrol at 2.30 AM. My suspicion is that both decided to rest off inside the car until morning and the wholde tragedy happened.
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19th September 2009, 17:44	#5
Parm Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: in a Toyota! Posts: 2,753 Thanked: 890 Times	i feel sorry for the death of the couple. this is slow death caused by CO2, which accumulates inside the car if the vehicle is kept running idle inside a enclosed place, like a garage! people are ignorant about this process of CO2 being sucked in by the AC of the car and killing people! i think the manual of every vehicle in india mentions not to use the car in an enclosed place like a garage!
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19th September 2009, 17:57	#6
prince_pervez Senior - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Redwood shores, CA, USA Posts: 4,210 Thanked: 51 Times View My Garage	This a case of Carbon monoxide poisoning. Death can occur in sleep as well in such cases.
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19th September 2009, 18:04	#7
Sankar Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2005 Location: Location Posts: 5,766 Thanked: 9,054 Times	CO2 poisoning but not because of a running engine since they were out of Petrol and no AC since no fuel. My guess is that windows were closed, fan was running (not AC), the vent was set to recirculation, since it was 230am both dozed off, ratio of Oxygen started dropping inside due to lack of venting and two people breathing inside. Slowly they slipped from sleep into unconsciousness. When the guy slipped back into consciousness probably it was too late. RIP. I get giddy if driving with AC on and vent set to recirc, even if it's for a short period. I keep it in recirc (edit: not recirc, i meant fresh air mode) always. Last edited by Sankar : 19th September 2009 at 18:15.
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19th September 2009, 19:33	#11
prince_pervez Senior - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Redwood shores, CA, USA Posts: 4,210 Thanked: 51 Times View My Garage	OT: I am wondering why all are calling it CO2 (carbn di-oxide) poisoning. Where as this is a case of CO (carbon mono-oxide) poisoning. This happened on a flight as well. Flight pilots fell unconcious and so did the passengers. I saw this on Nat Geo Air Crash Investigtions. Similar incident here: Pair found dead in parked car in carbon monoxide poisoning - The Boston Globe \| Encyclopedia.com
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19th September 2009, 19:42	#12
lejhoom BHPian Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Hyderabad Posts: 366 Thanked: 187 Times	Carbon monoxide poisoning happens in various places: even at homes. People died in Kashmir during winter months when they closed all the crevices in the room to keep chill out but was unaware of the lack of ventilation for the wood fire inside the room.
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19th September 2009, 21:00	#14
Ravi Kashyap BHPian Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Vadodara Posts: 61 Thanked: 2 Times	Dinesh, 24, a junior engineer and a Delhi resident, was found dead in a car on Friday. Along with him a girl, a Delhi University student, was found in an unconscious state. The reports are diffreent. This is what NDTV says. The car was parked in the garage ..... what else will happen! ----The car was in Dinesh's garage and the AC was turned on. Police sources say they were known to each other from before. "The preliminary inquiry says that the death was caused because of suffocation," said DCP Atul Katiyar. But what led to Dinesh's death? The car was parked in a shut garage. The AC was turned on and all four doors of the car were shut. The engine was releasing carbon monoxide - a poisonous gas that didn't find a way out. The gas began to seep inside the car, that first made the people sleep, then unconscious, and slowly killed them. While the post-mortem report of Dinesh is awaited, the girl is fine and is back home with her family.------
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20th September 2009, 22:37	#15
Parm Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: in a Toyota! Posts: 2,753 Thanked: 890 Times	my mistake in writing CO as CO2! my apologies! i was never good in chemistry!
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