[VijayAnand1]

These puppies are late to the party and at least not a party crasher. Yamaha seems to have been comfortably piggybacking on the success of the R15 and the evolvement of that "R15 Blues" DNA.

Yamaha, all these years could have taken the time to develop a T3/Tenere 300 based on the R3/300 cc platform. If they could have gotten it right back then, MT-03, T3 would have been a game changer dove-tailing smoothly to the T7 and the 700cc platforms in the Indian arena. With TVS and Hero comfortably under the quilts, KTM and RE have taken a good chunk of the market by adopting the early bird philosophy.

MT-07 would be a great game-changer if priced sensibly than the R3. The Tenere 700 should be sold as a CKD so that the market at least gets to see these and opens the potential for future.

Feel Yamaha has chickened out of this outlier segment owing to the fiasco of the MT-09, R1 and the likes that didn't cash the caisson as they'd perhaps hoped. Perhaps, this mid-segment could revive the lost hopes of the Iwata san.

All in, exciting year and exciting launches.

Cheers!
VJ

[whencut86]

Originally Posted by VijayAnand1

Feel Yamaha has chickened out of this outlier segment owing to the fiasco of the MT-09, R1 and the likes that didn't cash the caisson as they'd perhaps hoped. Perhaps, this mid-segment could revive the lost hopes of the Iwata san.

The MT-09 fiasco was entirely their fault. Cannot blame the market for this. The Z900 was priced at 7.6 lakhs ex-showroom for a CKD and the MT-09 was priced at 11-12 lakhs ex-showroom being a CBU. There are states in our country where the road tax of CBU was/is higher than locally manufactured or CKD vehicles and this put the MT-09 out of contention for people residing in those states. The Z900 with the Kawasaki dealer and service network expanding became an absolute no-brainer in this context.

Yamaha even tried bringing in the MT-09 SP at a discount of 1-1.5 lakh but the damage to reputation was done. I remember 2-3 members from our forum who enjoyed owning and riding both the single headlight version (Pre 2016 version) of MT-09 and the dual headlight version as well. But I guess it would be in single digits or double digits at most in our country.

[iron.head]

For the entire 2022 Yamaha was not able to bring 1 single R1 to North America owing to the supply chain issues. The supply chain issues are expected to continue in 2023 for Yamaha.

In contrast, Suzuki sold a good number of the Gen 3 Hayabusa in US & Canada.

This new found love and interest for the Indian market is surprising when Yamaha has been failing to fulfill the demand in its conventional big bike markets.

[minzanurag]

I received this bit of news and frankly speaking, I am not too sure if this is true. However, I messaged Yamaha sales rep at Pacer Yamaha, Hebbal, Bengaluru and he replied in the affirmative. He is not aware of which models apart from the two mentioned in the news.

Yamaha MT-07 and YZF R7 bookings open!

I will step out this weekend over to the showroom and let's see how it goes from there.

Cheers !

[Senotrius]

I would advise caution. Wait till Yamaha makes some kind of official announcement. The same thing happened to cb500f as well after they put up the display bikes(5 of which got sold btw). Honda dealers were taking 10k booking amount promising January 2023 delivery. They're now saying a June 2023 possible launch period. We know how that went.
Back to topic- Any idea regarding expected price for the Yamaha duo?

[bf1983]

Originally Posted by Senotrius

Back to topic- Any idea regarding expected price for the Yamaha duo?

We don't know for sure what route Yamaha will take - CBU or CKD.

If CKD then we can use the Ninja 650 as a benchmark as the R7 should be about a lakh more than the Ninja. So if the Ninja is around the 8l mark in Mumbai I would wager the R7 will be 9l or 10l if a CBU.

[TusharK]

Yamaha R7 and R3 spotted at MMRT in Chennai

The Yamaha R7 and R3 sports bikes have been spotted at the Madras Motor Race Track (MMRT) near Chennai. Reports suggest that the bikes were there for a TVC shoot, which suggests we might see a market launch soon.



Yamaha had showcased its range of big bikes at a dealer event held earlier this year, and the R7 and R3 were among the line-up.

The Yamaha R7 is a mid-capacity sports bike powered by a 689cc parallel-twin engine producing 72 BHP and 63 Nm. It will compete with the Kawasaki Ninja 650 and the Honda CBR650R.

The Yamaha R3 is powered by a 321cc, liquid-cooled parallel-twin engine that makes 42 BHP and 29.5 Nm. It will lock horns with the KTM RC 390 and Kawasaki Ninja 400.

Source: @torque_tv

[virajvroom]

Originally Posted by Nilesh5417

Why don't they bring Tracer 9GT from Thailand if they can't bring the Tenere?

You just echoed my thoughts. Tracer 900GT sits perfectly between the Ninja 1000SX and the Ducati Multistrada V2. Personally, I feel that it has all the gizmos that the Ducati has, and the Ninja doesn't, while it does sound like a proper Superbike, thanks to the three cylinders, which the Ninja (4) does and the Ducati doesn't. (Ducati's twin character has its own fan following. Not saying it sounds bad. But the symphony of more than 2 cylinders is completely different)

[Santy19]

Lets go back to 2015 when Yamaha first introduced YRF-R3, 321cc parallel twin ticked all the boxes in terms of looks, performance and refinement, And its was launched at 3.21lacs (Ex showroom) via CKD route.
Then 2015 KTM RC390 was priced at 2.19lacs (ex showroom) and the Ninja 300 was priced at 3.5lacs (ex showroom), which made the Austrian Bike superb Value and we know what numbers each motorcycle did in terms of units sold.

The Current scenario is completely different, the KTM RC390 is priced at 3.19lacs and the Ninja is priced at 3.36lacs both (ex-showroom), Ninja in now priced less now in 2023, courtesy of heavy localization, I would rate both of them equal as one offers more kit and the other offers one more cylinder.

Now coming to current gen YZF-R3, it has the same engine as before but the suspension setup has been vastly improved thanks to KYB USDs, Yamaha will surely bring it through CKD route, if priced under 4 lacs ex-showroom it would sell in well IMO, It would be the best bike in the segment, while best value would still be the RC390.

Lets just hope Yamaha doesn't do the Ninja 400 mistake, if priced correctly I can see many R15 owners upgrading to R3 and bleed blue.

[ProLearner]

Originally Posted by Santy19

Now coming to current gen YZF-R3, it has the same engine as before but the suspension setup has been vastly improved thanks to KYB USDs, Yamaha will surely bring it through CKD route, if priced under 4 lacs ex-showroom it would sell in well IMO, It would be the best bike in the segment, while best value would still be the RC390.

Lets just hope Yamaha doesn't do the Ninja 400 mistake, if priced correctly I can see many R15 owners upgrading to R3 and bleed blue.

Yes. I hope they price it right, so that they can get good numbers. They should bring the R3 and MT-03 via CKD, from Thailand so it will keep the costs in check. Good numbers might help in getting good service for the big bikes in the long term. But if they get it as a CBU at 5L, then it will be a problem.

[RD150]

The recently launched Triumph Speed 400 and the HD 440X will definitely force Yamaha to rethink the pricing of the R3 and MT03. Agree these bikes have 2 cylinders, but the power figures are very similar to the Speed 400 and the Duke 390. I am expecting an onroad price of 3.8 lac for the MT03 and 4 lac for the R3.

[antz.bin]

Japs never learn on their own. It is always Indian manufacturers that force their hands.

We have had an RE twin cylinder 650cc motorcycle available in India that makes more power and is cheaper than the price you mentioned for over 4 years. Yamaha (and for that matter even Kawasaki) won't localize theirs as long as there is no *Direct* competition. It took BMWs, Harleys, KTMs and Triumphs powered by TVS, Hero and Bajaj for us to even imagine this could be a possibility.

What you say won't happen till the time TVS/Bajaj/Hero don't get their hands on a multi-cylinder engine that challenges the Japs outside of India.

[bf1983]

Originally Posted by RD150

The recently launched Triumph Speed 400 and the HD 440X will definitely force Yamaha to rethink the pricing of the R3 and MT03. Agree these bikes have 2 cylinders, but the power figures are very similar to the Speed 400 and the Duke 390. I am expecting an onroad price of 3.8 lac for the MT03 and 4 lac for the R3.

You are off by around a lakh at least. Do remember that the Speed 400 is made here while the R3 will be a CBU import attracting heavy taxes. The Ninja 300 which is heavily localized is 3.5l ex showroom and over 4l on road so don't expect such low prices for a fully imported bike.

[RD150]

Originally Posted by bf1983

You are off by around a lakh at least. Do remember that the Speed 400 is made here while the R3 will be a CBU import attracting heavy taxes. The Ninja 300 which is heavily localized is 3.5l ex showroom and over 4l on road so don't expect such low prices for a fully imported bike.

We all were shell shocked when Speed 400 was launched at 2.23 lacs. Everyone was expecting 3.2 to 3.5 lac ex showroom, as Duke 390 retails at 3 lac ex. Nobody is stopping Yamaha from localization.Yamaha will struggle to clear the CBU import stocks if they price at 5 lacs. Also R3 doesn't look like a 5 lacs bike now, infact the R15M looks better and more modern.

[Cyborg]

Originally Posted by RD150

The recently launched Triumph Speed 400 and the HD 440X will definitely force Yamaha to rethink the pricing of the R3 and MT03. Agree these bikes have 2 cylinders, but the power figures are very similar to the Speed 400 and the Duke 390.

Power figures may be similar but a twin is a twin and cannot be compared with a single for the discerning buyer. For this fact alone Yamaha will have no need to rethink their prices. A person who wants a twin will never buy a single and will be prepared to shell out the extra.

Cheers