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Not bad then,atleast you have a feel of how the R1s & Ninjas are.
IMO,Rs 6-7 lakhs should get you a decent 600cc bike,thats pretty new.

If you haven't had a chance to check out the CBR, then do give that a try.

A friend of mine picked up a secondhand 08 Busa for 7 lakhs a few months ago. So i figure the 600cc bikes should be cheaper than 6-7 lakhs.

Plenty has changed since then mate if you know what i mean

You are forgetting that this is not a Vmax or something. What I mean is that its not only meant for straight lines. 14R is known for good cornering, thats where it takes the Busa. Personally, whichever 600's I've been with to lonavla have never been able to keep up with the 14R. Its really quite simple, the 14R or even Busa will have the weight advantage. Hence it can get into & out of corners at higher speeds. Still, would love to show it to you, rather than chat about it.

:OT I know but if this showdown happens, can you arrange for someone to record it for our viewing pleasure? Someone with a helmet or dash cam following you?

Erm. If all else are kept the same (weight, rake, trail, wheelbase & rider capabilities) and the only difference is in power, the only way that the more powerful bike would take on the lesser one is on a straight line.

Technically, cornering isn't about the the rider's capabilities alone, but the bike's as well. A corner, depending upon its angle of curvature & banking, can only sustain 'X' kmph through it.

A faster bike is only faster through corners because of gain on the braking points (better brakes shorten your entry line) and exit line, which also depends upon the centre of gravity of the bike and rider weight/positioning.

Personally speaking, a 600RR is plenty enough. Apart from the straights through the expressway section, the 600RR would actually be faster than any litre class through the corners, from what I've personally seen...the 600s are far more effortless to pilot around the twisties. Not that a big bike can't keep up, but it requires a lot more strength to muster the same speed through corners, which is all the edge that a smaller bike's rider would need.

On second thoughts max, if you DO have a Yamaha in mind, wait for the FZ1, due soon.

Pardon me, but I would love to take you up on that offer as well. :)

Max, from the options listed out by you, the CBR 1000 RR seems to be the most viable option for you. Like someone mentioned, that bike handles brilliantly and it would be most effortless from the three options listed by you.

The R1 from what i have heard and read is more of a track weapon than half a decent leisure commute through the city. The 2007-08 had a crap ventilaton system, which meant your bike would always be running hot at 05-6 degrees odd whenever in city. Yamaha may have improved this on the new gen R1, please try taking an etensive test ride of the new R1 while you are in the US instead of falling for the sexiest set of two wheels available in the country.

The Hayabusa, God knows I would love to own one someday, but I have listed out a bunch of cons against the Busa with respect to your choice of bike.


Trophy (?), Lol. Having one of the fastest production motorcycles in the world is one thing, and riding it to its ideal (and not extreme) potential another.
To me it only certifies that the owner has bucket loads of moolah to afford a trick machine, little taste, and just about nothing else.

The above is a never ending war, its been around since forever on most forums.
Tojo, I've been smitten by the Kwacker bug since a really long time, makes me smile whenever I see one. I probably have even spent more time on Ninja forums than many Kawasaki owners may have. But, the Hayabusa is about authority, speed, power and beyond.
The Hayabusa with its wierdly designed front end and low stance is probably the only motorycle that sold rolling units inspite of not being good looking, and yet does the sales with not much change from its basic avatar from a decade ago.
The Zx-14 may be a fraction faster or whatever than the Hayabusa, but then that was the aim Kawasaki had after they couldn't get onto the act with the Zx-12 inspite of much consant effort they put in through the years. The Hayabusa instead was a fresh approach, and made with the sole aim of being the most imposing motorcycle around, for its power and oodles of character.
And, the Suzuki management did wonders, they struck and how.

The comparo between the Hayabusa and the Zx-14 is very similar to comparing the Veyron and the Mclaren F1 GTR (barring the prices and no. of units ofcourse). The Veyron was made to beat the Mclaren which it did, and the GTR was made from something else. What you choose then is simply your choice.

You do realise that you are suggesting a first big bike here, and not a second or third. The advantages you mention (size and volcano of power) are clearly the most immediate shortcomings for the fresh import rider.
A few rides on friends' or rented joy rides cannot make up for a few thousand miles of worthy ownership experience.
The Busa, irrespective how much I wanted to own one after the Thunderace is just not a first bike for anyone with a head on their shoulders.

Takes it where, for a stroll? Heck, gone are the days when we had a superbike that did not handle in a coherent manner. Now, and since a few years from now, there have been bikes that handle well, and a few that handle exceptionally well.

Those must have been single pots with 600 cc graphics and probably a NOS decal. Or to be fair, probably some noobs on their first bunch of Sunday rides.

So what stakes are you guys at, winner takes all eh?

I can most definitely vouch that what you have heard is utter rubbish. There is no such scheme that exists, the only advantage a TR import provides is that you can import a motorcycle older than foure years if you have owned the same abroad for a minimum period of one year. Please get over it.

I am yet to read a review that does not indicate that the test rider is not in love with the new Blade. The 2008-09 fireblade is apparently pure awesomeness!

Have you ridden a Zx-10R? A recent version?
From the reviews I have read over the years, the 2006-07 Zie ex ten did not have the neck breaking first gear, and lacked the superb top end of the 2004-05. Early reviews had suggested the 2008 10 was back, and almost as good as the first generation, but have heard nothing exceptional being carried on through this year.
Besides, the 2008 Zx-10 did not look the panache to stand against half a sexy looking bike.

That is another misconception on this thread, from first hand experience, the Busa is a great bike for the short, well built rider who has reaonable past experience on a biggie!

Could not have agreed more. My cousin who is almost 6 Feet and extremely broad built sometimes has issues chugging along his Busain daily traffic conditions. The Busa is what is has always been, a superb weekend touring motorcycle, or a lethal drag weapon.


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For the first few 15-20 minutes on an R1 everyone begins to think how comfortable the R1 is, just about everything falls into place. A fewmore minutes and wrists start to ache, the forearm goes sore, and the R1 becomes one of the uncomfortable bike to be aboard. Don't even get me started on how hot the frame gets in traffic conditions, ask Straight6 and he could possible write a fully blown review about the heating characteristics of the R1.

manson.

yes a latest ZX-10R was just imported 2 months back . personally i found it better looking than R1 , for some reason i dont like the look of the R1 and the CBR's front end too for that matter . what is wrong with the japs i just cant understand , they are hiring korean designers i guess .:deadhorse


Yes but i am 5"8 and it was a horror stopping at traffic lights on the busa . obvibously as one gets used to it , these horrors are erradicated .


yes , exactly my point . i would never ever buy a busa if i have the greens , to commute daily to collge in city traffic , even in chandigarh which has the most easy flowing traffic in the country .

the R1 and R6 are the sort of bikes which are taken to the tracks regularly by the owners . track focussed bikes . not for the city at all , and yes the heating issue ofcourse .



I would say consider a ducati extend your budget a bit . it is hard to ride , Yes . Its got mad power delivery, yes . but boy .. just look at it .:uncontrol

Any inputs on the riding experience?

Thats wierd, the R1 over the years has always had the most deirable front end, but then thats probably why people say looks are subjective.

True. The 2008 Fireblade was majorly criticised for its crap looking front end, but the bike is more than its front end, and the superb package that it is makes up for the ugly front end. Infact beyond the styling I even hate the christmas tree mirrors on the Fireblade.

Are you big built though, the problem may be more due to not so strong frame than being an average height. If I am not mistaken the Busa has one of the lowest seat height in recent times, so I guess the difficulty must have been mostly cos' of the weight of the Busa.

manson.

manson: buying a busa or a zx14 does not mean that the person has no knowledge about bikes or is merely going for the fastest bike out there. And they are no trick machines.They are the epitome of motorcycle engineering. On the contrary it may also mean that the person wants the absolute best. You may like a 600cc or a 1L , but that does not make the open class is lacking in anything.
Coming to the busa. its the ultimate firebreather. i ve had it for close to 6 months.For the size and weight its a commendable handler. nothing like a litle class but commendable nevertheless.Its a heavy bike and initially its like hauling a 18 wheeler. But slowly you gel with the bike like a glove and hand.

personally i found the ZX-10r the most fun to ride in terms of rider involvement and also it has more useable power on the street , havnt ridden the CBR yet so cannot compare .

in terms of looks i like no full-faired bike by heart . when it comes to road presence IMO ducati streetfighter beats them all hands down .


no , im not that well bulit . mostly skinny . i wouldnt even had a test ride if i had no previous superbike experience . seat height is low but the bike is too broad .
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living with the busa as a daily ride is a pain that you might agree since you have owned one ! feedback please ! and where is it now ? sold off ?

obvious you cant compare the busa and ZX14R with the 600's and litre class bikes . thats not we are doing here . its more like what are the person's requirements . :)

Bigron, I suggest you read post # 38 on this thread once again before jumping to a conclusion about my opinions.
Like I have mentioned somewhere in that post, the Hayabusa is to bikes what the Mclaren F1 GTR is to cars. I intend to own one someday, infact I wanted to buy one before I bought the 954, but I strongly maintain that the Hayabusa, or even the ZX-14 should not be a first superbike for anybody, not only for its insane power, but even handling the bucket loads of weight is a major con.

I understand that gradually one gets a hang of the bike, and moving around gets much easier and balanced in a few weeks, and do some crazy straight line speeds in a couple of months. But I can guarantee that the rider will not be able to corner, or coordinate the braking and gear shifts half as well as a rider who has had some reasonable riding time aboard a smaller bike before jumping onto the Hypertourer bandwagon.

See, I told ya:)
The Hayabusa is probably the average height broad built rider's most perfect third biggie, which for its pedigree would make something to keep for a lifetime.

manson.

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I would stick with your original advice. Get a 600 before going for a hyper bike like Busa or ZX14. I did have a 600 and currently have a zx14. They are two different animals as far as power is considered. You can get in trouble before you know it. Above 7K rpm the zx14 accelerated violently as if you arms are about to be ripped of from the socket and you will kiss the maruthi infront of you before the blink of an eye. Same goes for busa. I had taken busa on the track too. So please be prudent and safe.