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Lathe charge for the bush - not sure if that might be required.

@Wolf: Please ask your SA as to what it actually is and why is it required. (Questioning him might have other advantages for you also. :) )

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Originally Posted by raj_5004 (Post 2072350)
Not at all! the SA said some sound coming from the rear suspension when going over potholes, something like "khat". so he advised me to change the bushes.
I believe in preventive maintainence (:D), so i decided to change the bushes.

charges were:

1) Bush lower link - 4 pieces - 132x4 - Rs. 528
2) Bush lower link - 4 pieces - 128x4 -Rs. 512
3) Bush pan hard rod - 1 piece - Rs. 169
4) Bush pan hard rod - 1 piece - Rs. 171
5) Cotton waste - 1 - Rs. 8
Total - Rs. 1392/-

Labour charges:
1) Rear Link Bush - Rs. 800
2) Torsion bar - Rs. 560
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Originally Posted by roamingrao (Post 2073285)
May be lathe charges : for inserting the bush into the manifold. anyway, turner / lathe charges quoted is very high. usually it is about Rs. 350. try to bargain, but with an ASC, you may have little chance !
I'm confused guys. It seems that Raj has got the job done for much less? The rep didn't mention all these spares. All he said was that bushing will cost 2k.

Wolfji:

Please talk to your SA; the solution to your queries. Ask him for a breakup and things might clear up. Maybe he gave a "rough & round" figure!

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Originally Posted by HappyWheels (Post 2073356)
Wolfji:

Please talk to your SA; the solution to your queries. Ask him for a breakup and things might clear up. Maybe he gave a "rough & round" figure!
That makes sense. Thanks for the suggestion.

Wolfheart,

checked with an ASC - India garage, Bangalore. Rear suspension bushes, labour and recambering ( for the leaf springs ) is quoted Rs. 4300.00 - said these are approximate costs and did not give any breakup !

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Originally Posted by roamingrao (Post 2073404)
recambering ( for the leaf springs )
Which model Scorpio is this? Is the spring progressive?

Spike

Quote:
Originally Posted by roamingrao (Post 2073404)
Wolfheart,

checked with an ASC - India garage, Bangalore. Rear suspension bushes, labour and recambering ( for the leaf springs ) is quoted Rs. 4300.00 - said these are approximate costs and did not give any breakup !
Wow! Thanks buddy.

Would you know if the Scorpio Vlx (2008) has leaf springs or a coil suspension? I was just checking on the Mahindra site and it says coil suspension. Would that make any difference?

@Spike: Mine is a Vlx M Hawk 2008 model.

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Originally Posted by Wolfheart (Post 2073428)
Wow! Thanks buddy.

Would you know if the Scorpio Vlx (2008) has leaf springs or a coil suspension? I was just checking on the Mahindra site and it says coil suspension. Would that make any difference?

@Spike: Mine is a Vlx M Hawk 2008 model.
Scorpio MHawk 2008 has Coil Springs, you just need to bend and see the undercarriage, no pattas (leaf springs) there, only huge springs.

Scorpio VLX (2008) always came with multi link suspension at the rear (Coil suspension). No camber settings are done on this type of suspension.

Spike

EDIT- Already answered by m_upreti

As far as I know, there is no turner/lathe involved in replacing suspension bushes. Given the right tools and a manual, a lay person can do it. The labor charges (as always) are inflated.

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Originally Posted by Wolfheart (Post 2073187)
There's an earlier post by M Upreti where he has mentioned that the suspension bushes were changed under warranty. However the rep at G3 told me that I would have to pay for them separately. Why are there different standards at different ASCs? Or are our ASCs trying to rip us off?
I go to G3 in Navi Mumbai, but always after complaining to the Mahindra Customer care who route the issue to them, the A.S.S. people then call me to fix up the appointment. I got Front RHS bush replaced 2 weeks back under warrently.

The washing and vaccuming has always been complimentary till date. :D

Guys I spoke with a couple of other ASC's. I also spoke with the advisor who handle's Raj's Scorpio which is the same model as mine(Thanks Raj). They confirmed that to remove the bushes and to insert them they have to take it to some workshop. (lathe, turner something like that).

Finally, I just told the rep to go ahead and do the job. I am going to ask them to charge a lower rate on the labor 'cos it looks pretty inflated. The Mahindra Scorpio website says that labor charges are standard and ASC's should charge @ Rs. 375/- per hour depending on the job. I've been quoted Rs. 1600 as labor in addition to the Rs. 1,000 turner charges.

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Originally Posted by Wolfheart (Post 2071747)
I've been advised that rear suspension is making some noise. The bushes may have to be replaced
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Originally Posted by Wolfheart (Post 2073259)
They have found the suspsnsion bushing(rear) to be cracked
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Originally Posted by Wolfheart (Post 2074200)
They confirmed that to remove the bushes and to insert them they have to take it to some workshop. (lathe, turner something like that).
The Mahindra Scorpio website says that labor charges are standard and ASC's should charge @ Rs. 375/- per hour depending on the job. I've been quoted Rs. 1600 as labor in addition to the Rs. 1,000 turner charges.
Looks like the bush needs to be custom fabricated, to suit the hole in which the bush is supposed to sit.

Now why will a standard (low cost) spare bush not fit in the first place ? Could be that the hole would have enlarged to a slightly higher size, and the hole size can be measured only after the bush is removed.

This will necessitate the fabrication of a new bush to suit the worn out hole (or downsize an existing oversized bush), which can be done only on a lathe.

Maybe Spike can confirm if my chain of thoughts is correct on this :)

Why did the bushing hole enlarge so early in the first place, is a question that beats me.

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Originally Posted by mooza (Post 2074235)
This will necessitate the fabrication of a new bush to suit the worn out hole (or downsize an existing oversized bush), which can be done only on a lathe.

Maybe Spike can confirm if my chain of thoughts is correct on this :)

Why did the bushing hole enlarge so early in the first place, is a question that beats me.
They hadn't even touched the suspension when they gave me a quote. Or is this a ploy to just squeeze as much money as possible from a lay person like me?:mad:

J
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Originally Posted by Wolfheart (Post 2074200)

Finally, I just told the rep to go ahead and do the job. I am going to ask them to charge a lower rate on the labor 'cos it looks pretty inflated. The Mahindra Scorpio website says that labor charges are standard and ASC's should charge @ Rs. 375/- per hour depending on the job. I've been quoted Rs. 1600 as labor in addition to the Rs. 1,000 turner charges.
Your vehicle is under warranty. What is the Max km for warrenty on suspension? Please check first and then only authorise the work
A.s.s work in funny way my safari is 2 yes 25k. On slight Kuch sound they replaced bush FOC during 2yrs. Initially they said it is dust but I insisted that I don't want any big expense after primary warranty so they replaced during service whereas tanveer (tsk1979) had to pay for bush and labour was free. So check what manual says on suspension warranty .


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