Does leakage of AC-gas lead to death? (2nd time 3 dead in Santro(Carbon Monoxide))

GTS · 29th October 2006, 14:08

Just heard a TV report that said 3 people died in their car when the AC gas leaked suddenly. Dont know what make of car and other details. Pretty scary though!

Have you folks heard of similar incidents or is this a freak accident?

Pankaj401 · 29th October 2006, 23:38

Excessive inhalation of R-134a might lead to breathlessness and in extreme cases fatality.

GTS · 30th October 2006, 09:49

It wasnt AC-gas it seems, but Carbon Monoxide that was fatal.

The link: http://www.hindu.com/2006/10/30/stor...3006450100.htm

jkdas · 30th October 2006, 11:34

its CO re.

It happned last yr too it seems. Those who stay in their cars for longer hours do re-circulate the air to avoid CO buildup.

emkay456 · 30th October 2006, 11:47

Noted the report in Times of India today. The report was comparing similar incidents in Santro cars. Is there any design fault in Santro. Quite scary.
Hyundai has refuted it to be carbon monoxide !!

pawan_pullarwar · 30th October 2006, 12:39

Today TOI reported 3 dead in Santro due to Carbon Monoxide. The same incident took place around a month ago. This time also passangers were switched on AC and was sleeping inside the car and engine was on.

I am just curios about to know how many santro owners in team-bhp have tried sleeping in the car while AC is switched on ?

Same I would like to ask other car owners. So that we should make some conclusion, is it the problem with Santro cars only ? Or what could be the reason of leaking the Carbon Monoxide inside the car ? Is there any way to check this gas inside the car ?

One thing is sure the Carbon Monoxide is generating by engine and not with the AC. But the question is the gas is leaking inside the cabin ? AC intake is opened in the engine ? If yes, can we change the AC intake position ?

How is the arrangement of AC intake in other cars ?

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esteem_lover · 30th October 2006, 13:58

Yep, this is the second time within months & again it is a santro. really shocking that it happened in GN Chetty road, one of the prime business area in chennai. To think that we (chennai T-BHPians) were within a KM of that on the same night is really scary.

esteem_lover · 30th October 2006, 16:38

really sad, but true. it has happened to santro cars within a few months of each other. we were having a T-BHP meet not too far away from the scene when it was happening. This is really worth discussing here. Experts, please let everyone know how to avoid such situations.

madan80 · 30th October 2006, 16:56

Is this an issue very specific to the santro? because the other family was also stuck in the rain and died such. my question was that if the exhaust is covered by water, does that not cut off the car (like how it works on bikes). Where is the possibility of a "leak".
is it that the engine compartment is cut off from circulation as there is water under the car: and that is sucked into the a/c ?

suren181 · 30th October 2006, 17:13

Its very disheartening to hear this news and frightening too for I own a Santro myself ... Have never tried sleeping in a car with the AC on myself and wouldnt try it not that I'm claustrophobic but generally even though I use an AC at Home have read somewhere that being in such closed spaces with very little or virtually no ventilation / exhaust just is not the right thing to do.

theMAG · 30th October 2006, 17:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by GTS

Just heard a TV report that said 3 people died in their car when the AC gas leaked suddenly. Dont know what make of car and other details. Pretty scary though!

Have you folks heard of similar incidents or is this a freak accident?

Freons are known to be dangerous if in high concentrations - remember that from my school/college days.

n_aditya · 30th October 2006, 17:53

From what i heard the car was wading through water during the heavy downpour... and the central locking jammed after the car stalled.

i also heard they called someone for help... i dunno the rest of the story....

to me it appears like the tailpipe was underwater and hence reversing exhaust gases into the cabin... resulting in a slow unconcious death to the occupants...

sad... may those sould rest in peace...

hyper-VTEC · 30th October 2006, 23:10

I have heard quite a lot of these during the Mumbai rains. That central locking were jammed and also the power windows in rains and people died inside cars. There should be some trip switch, which should over-ride these electronic things and people should be able to get out. I read in ACi (dont remember the issue date)that sales of such devices like Autocop etc, has dipped because of these incidents.

santhoshx · 31st October 2006, 13:17

There was another one as well few months back. This is was in Faridabad killing 4 of of the family

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bayuin2004 · 5th November 2006, 23:13

the co relesed by the engine is sucked inside by the blowers,this might be the reason for the death

29th October 2006, 14:08	#1
GTS BHPian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Chennai Posts: 69 Thanked: 6 Times	Does leakage of AC-gas lead to death? (2nd time 3 dead in Santro(Carbon Monoxide)) Just heard a TV report that said 3 people died in their car when the AC gas leaked suddenly. Dont know what make of car and other details. Pretty scary though! Have you folks heard of similar incidents or is this a freak accident?
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29th October 2006, 23:38	#2
Pankaj401 BHPian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Bangalore, India Posts: 215 Thanked: 7 Times	Excessive inhalation of R-134a might lead to breathlessness and in extreme cases fatality.
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30th October 2006, 09:49	#3
GTS BHPian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Chennai Posts: 69 Thanked: 6 Times	Update.... It wasnt AC-gas it seems, but Carbon Monoxide that was fatal. The link: http://www.hindu.com/2006/10/30/stor...3006450100.htm
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30th October 2006, 11:34	#4
jkdas Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Thiruvananthapu Posts: 9,685 Thanked: 1,497 Times View My Garage	its CO re. It happned last yr too it seems. Those who stay in their cars for longer hours do re-circulate the air to avoid CO buildup.
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30th October 2006, 11:47	#5
emkay456 BHPian Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Mumbai Posts: 387 Thanked: 7 Times	Noted the report in Times of India today. The report was comparing similar incidents in Santro cars. Is there any design fault in Santro. Quite scary. Hyundai has refuted it to be carbon monoxide !!
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30th October 2006, 12:39	#6
pawan_pullarwar BHPian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Pune - Now in Munich, Germany Posts: 778 Thanked: 130 Times	2nd time 3 dead in Santro(Carbon Monoxide) Today TOI reported 3 dead in Santro due to Carbon Monoxide. The same incident took place around a month ago. This time also passangers were switched on AC and was sleeping inside the car and engine was on. I am just curios about to know how many santro owners in team-bhp have tried sleeping in the car while AC is switched on ? Same I would like to ask other car owners. So that we should make some conclusion, is it the problem with Santro cars only ? Or what could be the reason of leaking the Carbon Monoxide inside the car ? Is there any way to check this gas inside the car ? One thing is sure the Carbon Monoxide is generating by engine and not with the AC. But the question is the gas is leaking inside the cabin ? AC intake is opened in the engine ? If yes, can we change the AC intake position ? How is the arrangement of AC intake in other cars ? Threads Merged Last edited by adya33 : 30th October 2006 at 17:27.
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30th October 2006, 13:58	#7
esteem_lover Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Madras/Py Posts: 7,556 Thanked: 513 Times View My Garage	Yep, this is the second time within months & again it is a santro. really shocking that it happened in GN Chetty road, one of the prime business area in chennai. To think that we (chennai T-BHPians) were within a KM of that on the same night is really scary.
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30th October 2006, 16:38	#8
esteem_lover Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Madras/Py Posts: 7,556 Thanked: 513 Times View My Garage	really sad, but true. it has happened to santro cars within a few months of each other. we were having a T-BHP meet not too far away from the scene when it was happening. This is really worth discussing here. Experts, please let everyone know how to avoid such situations.
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30th October 2006, 16:56	#9
madan80 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Santa Clara, CA Posts: 1,358 Thanked: 82 Times View My Garage	Is this an issue very specific to the santro? because the other family was also stuck in the rain and died such. my question was that if the exhaust is covered by water, does that not cut off the car (like how it works on bikes). Where is the possibility of a "leak". is it that the engine compartment is cut off from circulation as there is water under the car: and that is sucked into the a/c ?
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30th October 2006, 17:13	#10
suren181 BHPian Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Hyderabad Posts: 848 Thanked: 11 Times View My Garage	Truely a sad thing to happen Its very disheartening to hear this news and frightening too for I own a Santro myself ... Have never tried sleeping in a car with the AC on myself and wouldnt try it not that I'm claustrophobic but generally even though I use an AC at Home have read somewhere that being in such closed spaces with very little or virtually no ventilation / exhaust just is not the right thing to do.
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30th October 2006, 17:53	#12
n_aditya Senior - BHPian Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Namma Bengaluru Posts: 5,372 Thanked: 3,806 Times View My Garage	From what i heard the car was wading through water during the heavy downpour... and the central locking jammed after the car stalled. i also heard they called someone for help... i dunno the rest of the story.... to me it appears like the tailpipe was underwater and hence reversing exhaust gases into the cabin... resulting in a slow unconcious death to the occupants... sad... may those sould rest in peace... Last edited by n_aditya : 30th October 2006 at 17:54.
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30th October 2006, 23:10	#13
hyper-VTEC BHPian Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Bengal...ooroo Posts: 658 Thanked: 280 Times View My Garage	I have heard quite a lot of these during the Mumbai rains. That central locking were jammed and also the power windows in rains and people died inside cars. There should be some trip switch, which should over-ride these electronic things and people should be able to get out. I read in ACi (dont remember the issue date)that sales of such devices like Autocop etc, has dipped because of these incidents.
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31st October 2006, 13:17	#14
santhoshx BHPian Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Bangalore/New Jersey Posts: 47 Thanked: 0 Times View My Garage	There was another one as well few months back. This is was in Faridabad killing 4 of of the family [FONT=Trebuchet MS][SIZE=2][COLOR=navy][COLOR=navy][FONT='Trebuchet MS']http://www.ibnlive.com/news/car-turn...4/20612-3.html[/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]
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5th November 2006, 23:13	#15
bayuin2004 BHPian Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: hyderabad Posts: 30 Thanked: 0 Times	the co relesed by the engine is sucked inside by the blowers,this might be the reason for the death
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