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I am informed otherwise. Our domestic refiners are all geared up. BS 6 Fuel supply wont face issues.

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Originally Posted by NH6 (Post 4596361)
I am informed otherwise. Our domestic refiners are all geared up. BS 6 Fuel supply wont face issues.

Same information I have. The fuel will be ready and available.

Mahindra today held a knowledge sharing session on the upcoming BS 6 scenario. They also showcased the new BS6 petrol and diesel engines along with the components. It was quite an interesting session. I made a video of the exhibition

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9H-kDJtIqg8

Mahindra and Mahindra's video release on 'Demystifying BS6'.

https://youtu.be/v2Sid6UIE5E

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Originally Posted by SS-Traveller (Post 4594024)
...and since then the government has taken a U-turn on its earlier EV policy & NEMMP, and we don't have much demand for EVs as things stand now.

Going by the introduction of BS-VI compliant vehicles like the Baleno and Alto, it certainly doesn't look that way.

...which they well might, as I mentioned in the beginning...

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What kind of technology?

- EV mfg and driveline technology with ultra low resistance as well as battery and drivetrain technology

Which space? The EV space? - YES

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Originally Posted by blackwasp (Post 4599001)
Mahindra and Mahindra's video release on 'Demystifying BS6'.

https://youtu.be/v2Sid6UIE5E

Demystifying BS6 :) Nice

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Originally Posted by headers (Post 4599887)
- EV mfg and driveline technology with ultra low resistance as well as battery and drivetrain technology
Which space? The EV space? - YES

Though many would disagree, I have my personal doubts regarding the successful roll-out of EVs in the passenger car space over the next 10 years in India.
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Originally Posted by blackwasp (Post 4599001)
Mahindra and Mahindra's video release on 'Demystifying BS6'.

Very very interesting speeches by Mr. Goenka and Mr. Wadhera.

There is a lot of "hope" and "challenges"scattered throughout both speeches. "I... I... I... hope it'll be a Y2K non-event", goes Mr. Goenka, even as Mr. Wadhera is "hoping the same things will happen with BS6 challenges of developing and applicating for Indian driving conditions." Somehow, both of them don't sound too confident about BS6 in India as much as they are confident about selling Euro-6 Mahindra vehicles in Europe.
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Originally Posted by Dippy (Post 4598625)
Mahindra today held a knowledge sharing session on the upcoming BS 6 scenario.

Thanks for a fascinating video there, Dippy. A couple of screenshots from your video, if you will:

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Starting 01.04.2020, Indian emission limit will be same as Europe, this one says.

And the next screenshot says:

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RDE framework derived from Europe, but modified to suit Indian conditions. Essentially pointing to the fact that the Indian emission limit will not be the same as Europe! Mysterious and confusing - certainly not a case of demystifying BS-VI at all!

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On the charts, Mahindra proudly showcases the engine level changes and exhaust level changes. Unless there's some part missing in your video, none of the charts seem to talk about fuel level changes! I wonder if someone bothered to ask...

Jeep Trailhawk's 2.0MJD has been upgraded to BS6. They have gone the Adblue way, and the liquid requires a refill every 7500-10000km. They claim the system will work fine on BS4 fuel as well.

On a related note, my sources also confirm that refiners are geared up for BS6 and appropriate fuels will be available in time. Delhi has anyway been getting BS6 fuel already.

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Originally Posted by SS-Traveller (Post 4592536)
Not quite AdBlue, but a generic version of it...

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Originally Posted by gauravanekar (Post 4592873)
Volvo & Daimler too uses SCR in its buses and trucks extensively.

Was going through this video, and was surprised to see that Ashok Leyland doesn't use SCR Tech, and utilises something called i-EGR.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCcWKcvUEck

Dug up some more info and it looks AL has managed to dodge BS4 norms without Adblue, which is quite interesting.

More about i-EGR:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x65qULnrEog

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wC87QDc0nE

Some benefits as highlighted:

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They also claim this is BS6 ready.

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Originally Posted by Leoshashi (Post 4627211)
...Ashok Leyland doesn't use SCR Tech, and utilises something called i-EGR.

More about i-EGR:

They also claim this is BS6 ready.

Cannot figure out how AL is achieving the claims underlined in this pic:

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1. How does one achieve lower amount of exhaust gas?

2. BS-IV, and subsequently BS-VI, norms demand longer drain intervals than BS-III. Keeping the oil drain interval the same as BS-III is counterproductive.

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Originally Posted by SS-Traveller (Post 4627404)
Cannot figure out how AL is achieving the claims underlined in this pic:

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1. How does one achieve lower amount of exhaust gas?

I didn't quite follow from the video how iEGR differs from EGR.
However, it's logical to assume that they are referring to lower amount of exhaust gases recirculated back to the intake, not the total exhaust volume.

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Originally Posted by d3mon (Post 4627441)
...they are referring to lower amount of exhaust gases recirculated back to the intake, not the total exhaust volume.

Which means that a larger volume of exhaust gas is being allowed to pass through without recirculation? Makes no sense either...

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Originally Posted by Rahul Rao (Post 4592395)
Pune is still erratic, the Pump I regularly fill up at needs about 50 tanker loads a month, and they received 46 BS VI and 4 BS IV tankers.
Rahul

Do you know if any pump in Pune supplies BS-VI petrol?
I have booked a Wagon-R 1.2L which is BS-VI complaint.

If you buy a BS6 compliant car today, will your RC mention BS4 or BS6?

BS VI and BS IV - Some insights,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v31NnBdY1X8


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