Vibrations at high speed

DCEite · 10th June 2007, 13:39

I have a 2004 model wagonR lxi, with stock tyres, run 30k kms.
The issue is that the car starts to vibrate at anything excess of 70-80kmph. It was not the case till an year back @ about 20k kms, it used to do speeds in excess of 100 and still felt sure footed and stable. But now, it starts vibrating (the vibrations are more pronounced on the steering wheel).
Any inputs?

Mugen_Power · 10th June 2007, 13:43

Have you checked alignment and balancing ?

iraghava · 10th June 2007, 13:45

Wheel Balancing is out, get them balanced again. Otherwise check if your tyres have any bulges.

abhibh · 10th June 2007, 13:46

Get Alignment and Balancing done. As you are running stock tyres and wheels it should be the problem with Balancing. OR uneven wear tear of tyres can also cause this.

But experts can shed more light on this

flipsyde · 10th June 2007, 14:28

i had the same problem with mu suzi. further inspection of the front tyre showed uneven wear on the inseam which was prominent on the drivers side. i took it for wheel balancing where the guy told me i needed a fresh set of bearings as my existing ones had worn out. drove it straight to MASS and got the bearings replaced.
And me and my suzi lived happily ever after!!

kpzen · 10th June 2007, 14:48

Wheel balancing is out...!!
BTW What tyres do u have? S322/JKtyre??
Time to get new set of tyres i guess

rishibravo · 10th June 2007, 15:18

i had the same problem above 100kph and i got the wheels rebalanced and things were fine... So, get it checked for wheel balancing

toiingg · 10th June 2007, 16:23

Balancing is out. Had the same problem with my OHC.
Got the wheels balanced & alignment checked, the problem dissappeared.

premdiv · 11th June 2007, 07:55

I have same problem with my baleno now. whenever i try a speed of over 85 kph it starts vibrating as if its out of breath. iam running on 14" tubeless with alloys and think its the problem with wheel alignment. 3rd service is due now and should try out that...

Gurkha · 11th June 2007, 08:14

Vbration at high speeds is sure signs of balancing, if balancing doesn't take the problem away, then there are some serious complications for sure.

rishibravo · 11th June 2007, 09:31

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Originally Posted by premdiv

I have same problem with my baleno now. whenever i try a speed of over 85 kph it starts vibrating as if its out of breath. iam running on 14" tubeless with alloys and think its the problem with wheel alignment. 3rd service is due now and should try out that...

I dont think its the problem with the alignment. Get all the tires balanced .It should solve the problem and dont wait till the service. Get it done from outside and you will come to know what the real issue is.

DCEite · 11th June 2007, 09:36

Yes i had a recent spate of tyre punctures, so i think balancing and alignment is the need of the hour.
KP, they are S322s. Whats the life of stock tyres. Should i go for the change now?

kpzen · 11th June 2007, 11:33

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Originally Posted by DCEite

KP, they are S322s. Whats the life of stock tyres. Should i go for the change now?

S322s are hard compound tyres which normally have a life of at least 50k kms.. But in our extreme climate in North where the temp varies from 5-50 degree C...& also the rains when the roads turn into rivers these tyres become harder & start making a lot of noise...
I had MRFs in my Zen which had done 30k kms and had more than 30% thread left but had to change them as they had become too hard & were making a lot of noise..

rks · 11th June 2007, 12:30

I previously had S322 tubetype tyres (OEM). After about 6 years and 34000 kms there were bad vibrations at the steering wheel and the car was pulling to the right. Upon checking the front left tyre had developed a flat spot. These flat spots could appear when the tyres have relatively less tread left and when one does hard braking/cornering on surfaces like the concrete on the Mumbai-Pune Expressway. There was about 2-3 mm tread left on all tyres and the wear was uneven, indicating alignment problems. There were also some minor bends in my rims; could have caused balancing problems as well. Since then I have shifted to tubeless tyres (again S322) and alloys and get my alignment/balancing checked at a good tyre shop rather than my local garage. So far no problems after about 17000 kms. I expect a tyre life of only about 30000 kms because of the high-speed driving on the Mumbai-Pune Expressway every week.

2fast4u · 12th June 2007, 12:25

one of ur tyre is either out of balance or alignment.

if thats not the case then its sure One of the tyre failure. tyre lost shape outer section - contact patch. this can be felt at speeds above 90kmph when the entire car can vibrate and sending lots of feedback in the steering also can be felt when speed is 3 to 10kmph a swaying kind of motion.

10th June 2007, 13:39	#1
DCEite Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: NCR Posts: 3,413 Thanked: 2,517 Times	Vibrations at high speed I have a 2004 model wagonR lxi, with stock tyres, run 30k kms. The issue is that the car starts to vibrate at anything excess of 70-80kmph. It was not the case till an year back @ about 20k kms, it used to do speeds in excess of 100 and still felt sure footed and stable. But now, it starts vibrating (the vibrations are more pronounced on the steering wheel). Any inputs?
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10th June 2007, 13:43	#2
Mugen_Power Senior - BHPian Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Gujarat 03 Posts: 1,302 Thanked: 18 Times	Have you checked alignment and balancing ?
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10th June 2007, 13:45	#3
iraghava Senior - BHPian Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Bhaiyyaland Posts: 8,033 Thanked: 265 Times View My Garage	Wheel Balancing is out, get them balanced again. Otherwise check if your tyres have any bulges.
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10th June 2007, 13:46	#4
abhibh Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Back in the HOOD near you! Posts: 2,768 Thanked: 39 Times	Get Alignment and Balancing done. As you are running stock tyres and wheels it should be the problem with Balancing. OR uneven wear tear of tyres can also cause this. But experts can shed more light on this
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10th June 2007, 14:28	#5
flipsyde BHPian Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Chennai Posts: 644 Thanked: 84 Times	i had the same problem with mu suzi. further inspection of the front tyre showed uneven wear on the inseam which was prominent on the drivers side. i took it for wheel balancing where the guy told me i needed a fresh set of bearings as my existing ones had worn out. drove it straight to MASS and got the bearings replaced. And me and my suzi lived happily ever after!!
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10th June 2007, 14:48	#6
kpzen Senior - BHPian Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Faridabad Posts: 5,610 Thanked: 1,876 Times View My Garage	Wheel balancing is out...!! BTW What tyres do u have? S322/JKtyre?? Time to get new set of tyres i guess
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10th June 2007, 15:18	#7
rishibravo BHPian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: New Delhi Posts: 579 Thanked: 11 Times View My Garage	i had the same problem above 100kph and i got the wheels rebalanced and things were fine... So, get it checked for wheel balancing
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10th June 2007, 16:23	#8
toiingg BHPian Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Calcutta Posts: 639 Thanked: 266 Times	Balancing is out. Had the same problem with my OHC. Got the wheels balanced & alignment checked, the problem dissappeared.
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11th June 2007, 07:55	#9
premdiv BHPian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Trivandrum Posts: 164 Thanked: Once	I have same problem with my baleno now. whenever i try a speed of over 85 kph it starts vibrating as if its out of breath. iam running on 14" tubeless with alloys and think its the problem with wheel alignment. 3rd service is due now and should try out that...
	() Thanks

11th June 2007, 08:14	#10
Gurkha BANNED Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Kalyani, West Bengal Posts: 444 Thanked: 10 Times	Vbration at high speeds is sure signs of balancing, if balancing doesn't take the problem away, then there are some serious complications for sure.
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11th June 2007, 09:36	#12
DCEite Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: NCR Posts: 3,413 Thanked: 2,517 Times	Yes i had a recent spate of tyre punctures, so i think balancing and alignment is the need of the hour. KP, they are S322s. Whats the life of stock tyres. Should i go for the change now?
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11th June 2007, 12:30	#14
rks BANNED Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: ?? Posts: 1,238 Thanked: 17 Times	I previously had S322 tubetype tyres (OEM). After about 6 years and 34000 kms there were bad vibrations at the steering wheel and the car was pulling to the right. Upon checking the front left tyre had developed a flat spot. These flat spots could appear when the tyres have relatively less tread left and when one does hard braking/cornering on surfaces like the concrete on the Mumbai-Pune Expressway. There was about 2-3 mm tread left on all tyres and the wear was uneven, indicating alignment problems. There were also some minor bends in my rims; could have caused balancing problems as well. Since then I have shifted to tubeless tyres (again S322) and alloys and get my alignment/balancing checked at a good tyre shop rather than my local garage. So far no problems after about 17000 kms. I expect a tyre life of only about 30000 kms because of the high-speed driving on the Mumbai-Pune Expressway every week.
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12th June 2007, 12:25	#15
2fast4u BHPian Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: pune / Bahrain Posts: 488 Thanked: 7 Times View My Garage	one of ur tyre is either out of balance or alignment. if thats not the case then its sure One of the tyre failure. tyre lost shape outer section - contact patch. this can be felt at speeds above 90kmph when the entire car can vibrate and sending lots of feedback in the steering also can be felt when speed is 3 to 10kmph a swaying kind of motion.
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