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Originally Posted by rao_battula Guys,
This issue started after returning to city traffic. We found that Mileage dropped to 6.5 KMPL within the city, which used to be around 11 KMPL. The pickup drop has also been observed in first and second gears. Car can not climb even slighest of up without foot on the accelerator. |
does the car feel responsive when engine is cold ?
sometimes if the valve clearances is out of spec then the car behaves in sucjh a way, it will start losng power the minte it gets hot, the mileage goes down and even small throttle inputs will make the car knock..
the service schedule may say inspection after x miles but its always not that way, it depends how u drive it @ what load.
so I m suggesting get the valve clearances checked by some other "factory dealer" who has he proper calbrated tools to do this.. dont go to some road side guy for this..
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Originally Posted by rao_battula After a week of travel and two tank refills (of course from half line mark), we realised that neither mileage improved nor pickup. I observed that car stutters on IDLE RPMs. Next day, after cranking the engine I observed that Idling RPM is near 550. The actual value should be some where near 950 RPM. |
1st get the idle set correctly to 950, get the timing set right , u can go to some other garage who has a proper timing gun and will allow u to have a look at what he is doing.. stand on his head and get it done perfect as per the factory manual.
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Originally Posted by rao_battula Please throw some light on:
Is this (Low Idling RPM) the reason for low mileage and pickup? What could be reason for the Idling RPM setting got changed? Is this some thing to do with ECU resetting? |
foreget the ECU for some time, lets see 1st if the whole engine tune is within spec or not,then we will see the ECU
I suspect it may not be low idling(incorrect timing) + incorrect valve clearance...
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Originally Posted by rao_battula I Forgot to mention: Car just run 7K Kms only. |
valve clearance + idle problems is too early for such a young engine...
but hey we are having problems and who knows what servicing the dealer did when u took for initial free service etc?
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Originally Posted by rao_battula Car came back from service station, but problem persists. Other observations: Adventure:
The behavior is that on cold starts RPM shoots up to 1200 RPM and very slowly comes down to 600 RPM and stays there. I switched off the engine then and waited for a couple of minutes. This time RPM shoots up to nearly 1000 RPM and drops down drastically to 600 RPM and stays there. Palio:
The behavior is that on cold starts RPM shoots up to 1500 comes down to 1200 RPM immediately and from there it very slowly comes down to 950 RPM and stays there. I switched off the engine then and waited for a couple of minutes. This time RPM shoots up to nearly 1200 RPM and drops down gradually to 950 RPM and stays there. I think this is normal behavior. |
it is perfectly ok for the car if it revs high when cold, revs dro as the sensor warms up. the idle drops slowy to normal.
Also it is ok for the rpm to drop more when u shift to a gear from neutral while car is stationary in the morning.
but it should not idle +/- the factory spec if the car is stock, idle without AC is lower as compared to idle with AC.
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Originally Posted by rao_battula More Observations:
1. Car was at idle position. I moved the gear lever to first position, released hand break and release the clutch very slowly. After a certain position of the clutch, I observed the RPM is going down from 600 to 200 before the car moves forward. This is not the case with my Palio.
2. Accelerate the car to reach 2000 RPM in 4th gear and remove the foot on the accelerator. RPM is coming down rapidly to idling RPM position. This behavior can be normal in 1st and 2nd gears and the same can not be the case 4th gear. |
while travelling in 4th gear if u move ur foot of the accelarator i.e Throtle position = zero, the engine stops breathing via the primary air circuit, the fuel also gets cut off, it start breathng via secondary air circuit, the Idel air control valve kicks in provides just sufficent air to keep the engine from stalling... so at this stage u will see a lower idle . somethin what u would see when u were idling in neutral while stationary....
let me know if this is the same behaviour u are seeing ?
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Originally Posted by rao_battula Throttle Body Replaced, Problem persists. Other observations:
In Second gear at idling RPM it does not have smooth running what it used to have. It runs as if some thing is obstructing to it. But it runs fine in 3rd and 4th gears. The speed at run at second gear is about 12KMPH, where as my Palio runs around 20KMPH. What are the speeds on idling RPM with each gear? Refered to Solar Autoshop, Hyderabad:
Last saturday, I visited Solar Auto shop instead of TATA service stations as they do not have any clue why the car is behaving like this. The mechanic mentioning that "a lock (closed brace model) at accelerator in the engine bay is missing." That guy has taken door pin lock and tried to lock at the cable. With this, the idling RPM is erratic and no constant value. the Idling RPM is varying from 500 - 1200. At Idling, if we pull accelerator in reverse direction RPM goes down to 500 and stays there. Other observations are that, if we pedal the accelerator in the neutral RPM shoots up as fast as the force but does not come down immediately. It stays at max position for a while and comes down lil slowly. However, if pull accelerator in reverse direction it comes down rapidly, which is normal behaviour. Some times, RPM meter shows 0 in second gear but the vehicle moves normally without applying accelerator . |
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Originally Posted by rao_battula The suspecting issues might be with:
1. Idling Speed screw
2. Air temp sensor
3. Injectors
4. ECU |
wait lets take one at a time..
lets get idle+valve clearance checked.
for 1, 2 and 3 we will need some ECU diagnostic readout...I would like to see ur fuel trim readouts before considering issue with 1,2 and 3 or even 4
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Originally Posted by rao_battula It has been 3 months that we are roaming around service centers with no success. I am very saddened to see the state of my car.
Please suggest me on this.
--BSR
PS: Sorry to have the long post. |
dont worry dude, we understand exactly how u feel...we also have been thru hell with our cars.. there is nothing more frustrating than having ur car behave like this and the stupid dealers giving u ****ty reasons...
its not a long post , anyway we like long posts