[Technocrat]

The step by step guide posted by ssanjeev is moved to the following new thread

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/techni...elt-camry.html

[vnabhi]

Hey guysI am reviving this thread owing to recent issues some members faced wtih their timing belts giving away all of a sudden, landing them in deep trouble and debts.What I understand is that though manufacturers like Maruti swear that their timing belts last 100000 kms, there is also a time factor. For instance, my Waggie has completed a decade, and has only 59 k on the odo. I am surely going to get it changed in the next service, despite however good it may look.Any idea of the number of years once should use as a benchmark for timing belt change? Also, what is the recommended interval for the Ford Fiesta?Thanks in advance.

[johnruben]

@vnabhi, Timing belt failure on Non-interference engine will not cause any problems to your engine parts, check this link: Interference engine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

For my swift, which is a G13BB engine, even if timing belt snaps the vehicle will only stop and will not cause any damages to the engine parts, but its a different story for many Interference engine (mostly all Diesel and few petrol), yours is a K-series earlier 1.0L engine, i am not sure if its a Interference engine, you can google and find out.

For Fiesta its every 100k KM or 10yrs whichever is earlier, just like maruti.

[surbhit]

I want to replace the timing belt of my Palio which has done 50K kms till date(from 2004). Where can I get this done in NCR?

I checked up with Bosch service center in Rajouri Garden(Wheel Force Auto) and ABS motors Gurgaon. Bosch quoted 12K for the job whereas ABS quoted 5K max. On searching for feedback related to ABS motors in Team BHP I found all bad reviews so I am a bit skeptic about them now. I also found out that the cost of Timing Belt/Chain is 1168 as per the excel attached here(it is taken from a long term ownership thread of 1.6GTX)

Any other options in NCR region are also welcome.

[planet_rocker]

Surbhit - please note the present rates:
Timing Belt - 1850-1900/-
Idle Bearing - 1800/-
Tensioner Bearing - 1800/-
Add labour 1200/- max

Regarding Service Center - check with Samyak - i have heard that they are good.

[surbhit]

Originally Posted by planet_rocker

Surbhit - please note the present rates:
Timing Belt - 1850-1900/-
Idle Bearing - 1800/-
Tensioner Bearing - 1800/-
Add labour 1200/- max

Regarding Service Center - check with Samyak - i have heard that they are good.

Thanks planet_rocker!!
I also found the below post to be very useful for me:-
http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/indian...tml#post857782

[anupamsinha]

I got my Palio's timing belt chnaged for around 2K (for parts + labour) at Elegant / samyak. I doubt if the shop is still there.

[surbhit]

Originally Posted by anupamsinha

I got my Palio's timing belt chnaged for around 2K (for parts + labour) at Elegant / samyak. I doubt if the shop is still there.

After searching a bit I found that Elegant/Samayak is closed but the staff there has moved to Him motors, so I'm planning to check them out this weekend.

[radek]

Recently Timing belt (along with spark plug and fuel filter) of my Spark was replaced as per scheduled replacement for 60000 KM servicing. After this replacement, I have noticed change in engine response. I feel in-gear acceleration is reduced, so car is slow to pick-up the speed, resulting in frequent gear changes. Can this be caused by timing belt replacement?

I had also complained about reduced FE. SA mentioned that he has 'reset the timings'. I am not sure what it means.

[infotech58]

Originally Posted by radek

Recently Timing belt (along with spark plug and fuel filter) of my Spark was replaced as per scheduled replacement for 60000 KM servicing. After this replacement, I have noticed change in engine response. I feel in-gear acceleration is reduced, so car is slow to pick-up the speed, resulting in frequent gear changes. Can this be caused by timing belt replacement?

I had also complained about reduced FE. SA mentioned that he has 'reset the timings'. I am not sure what it means.

if you are feeling dead zones in the acceleration or if you are feeling that the car does not respond in a linear fashion (let us say you do not feel the pull as you used to feel previously when you cross 3500-400 RPM), it may be the problem with timing belt installation; one or more teeth may be mis-aligned or simply bad timing settings. they shall remove and reinstall the timing belt.
did you get it done at the authorized service center?

[radek]

Originally Posted by infotech58

if you are feeling dead zones in the acceleration or if you are feeling that the car does not respond in a linear fashion (let us say you do not feel the pull as you used to feel previously when you cross 3500-400 RPM), it may be the problem with timing belt installation; one or more teeth may be mis-aligned or simply bad timing settings. they shall remove and reinstall the timing belt.
did you get it done at the authorized service center?

Thanks for quick reply.

Yes, as you said, after certain RPM (no tachometer) there is not much progress. If I keep on pressing accelerator, there is slow progress, but it sounds rough.

Can you please also explain on time-setting process you have mentioned?

This was done in Chevy authorised service center.

[infotech58]

Originally Posted by radek

Thanks for quick reply.

Yes, as you said, after certain RPM (no tachometer) there is not much progress. If I keep on pressing accelerator, there is slow progress, but it sounds rough.

Can you please also explain on time-setting process you have mentioned?

This was done in Chevy authorised service center.

in the simplest terms i could say:
there is a certain process to be followed and right set of tools to be used to ensure that the tension in the belt is just right and the positioning is correct.
pay a visit to the service center and tell them about the problem, they shall ractify it.

in little less simple terms:
valve and piston movements shall be syncronized. timing belt has marks on it and those marks should line up with markings on camshaft and crankshaft gears to ensure proper position and alignment.

i had run into similar problem a couple of years ago with one of my cars, eventually found that the timing belt was not installed properly and one teeth was slightly off which caused dead zones at RPMs higher than 3000.

did you also change the water pump and tensioner?

[vnabhi]

Originally Posted by johnruben

@vnabhi, Timing belt failure on Non-interference engine will not cause any problems to your engine parts, check this link: Interference engine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

For my swift, which is a G13BB engine, even if timing belt snaps the vehicle will only stop and will not cause any damages to the engine parts, but its a different story for many Interference engine (mostly all Diesel and few petrol), yours is a K-series earlier 1.0L engine, i am not sure if its a Interference engine, you can google and find out.

For Fiesta its every 100k KM or 10yrs whichever is earlier, just like maruti.

Thanks for your response, though I am guilty of seeing it only now.

I did give my WagonR for service a week ago, and was discouraged from changing timing belt, though it had 60 K on the odo and 10.5 years old.
I was also told that if it snaps, no damage will be caused, only the car will not start.

Therefore I gave up the idea.

As regards the Fiesta, I am not sure if it is an interference engine.

[fiestarry]

It would be extremely stupid not to folow the manufacturers' recommended interval for change of the timing belt. It is the most important belt in your engine and will cause a bucket load of trouble if it snaps. The manufacturer indicates the period for change in both km ters and in months of use. It is also not easy to find out conclusively if your car's engine is of the interference or non interference type.
And in any case why should that matter to a sensible person. Is being stranded way outside a city at 2200 hours with wife and child with a non starting but non interference engine any consolation in terms of units of sorrow!!??
I cant imagine why a person running a car costing 5 lakhs at least should try to stretch his luck ( and the belt) which would by then only have a few hundred rupees worth of residual value but potentially many thousand rupees worth of trouble.
Go ahead and change it today if its due ( or overdue)...
Wow! my longest post. Way to go though!