Tappet sound?

khaadu75 · 4th July 2005, 18:46

guys, the tappets of my car have started making a knocking sound !!! Me puzzled .... pls advise

cheers

iceman91 · 4th July 2005, 18:58

get them set at a mech...prefer to get them set when the engine is cold...a 15 minute job

khaadu75 · 4th July 2005, 19:08

The mech told me that the palio's tappets may b hydraulic and they cant b set !! Is that true ... I was thinking of taking it to the authorised work shop but then I dont hae too much of faith in them ..lol

cheers

Trueno20v · 4th July 2005, 19:46

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Originally Posted by khaadu75

The mech told me that the palio's tappets may b hydraulic and they cant b set !! Is that true ...

Hydraulic bucket tappets usually are self adjusting and hence don't require regular maintainence unlike rocker arm driven tappets. Presuming excessive mileage on your engine, you'd need replacement "shims". Proper clearance will unfortunatly be specified in a service manual or alternatively available on the internet. They require machining and given the wear and tear on the engine and cam lobe would require a preset tolerance (clearance) before installation.

iceman91 · 4th July 2005, 22:02

oh sorry yes, hydraulic tappets are self adjusting, agree with trueno20v.
you did not mention the car...hence the goof up

Mpower · 4th July 2005, 22:56

Its is all the time or only for a couple minutes after cold start?

Possible causes:

Low oil level
Wrong spec oil
tappets are shot
outside temp too cold.

tsk1979 · 5th July 2005, 10:38

In diesel indica they do injector bleeding to cure the problem

iceman91 · 5th July 2005, 10:39

a slight tappet noise at cold start is normal in cars but if it does not decrease as the car warms up then you are in torouble

Trueno20v · 5th July 2005, 11:59

Coulld be "valve rap" as well. Nothing serious though. Nozzle calibration usually solves that.

Psycho · 5th July 2005, 12:30

Khaadu ... did some digging around and came to know that even if the cam belt tensioner is not tight enough it could cause this problem, this is a minor check for you to do. If the cam belt is loose please tighten immediately and hopefully your problem should go.

Palio's are known to have the tappet sound problem when the engine is cold but when the hydraulics are filled with oil the sound should go. It wont if you have low oil levels...

If both the cam belt and the oil is fine then you will have to check the oil pump itself as the last resort before moving to restting the tappets...

khaadu75 · 5th July 2005, 13:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by iceman91

a slight tappet noise at cold start is normal in cars but if it does not decrease as the car warms up then you are in torouble

It seems so as the sound doesnt reduce after running for while either !!

Its is all the time or only for a couple minutes after cold start?

Possible causes:

Low oil level
Wrong spec oil
tappets are shot
outside temp too cold

Either the oil dip stick is showing a wrong reading as according to that the oil level is perfect but the oil light comes on briefly while cornering and the mech says thats due to a faulty oil switch. Wat wud b the right oil spec ?? Also wat do u mean by tappets are shot and how does that happen .?? Outside temp not at all cold ... its delhi and its still summers ..lol

cheers

Mpower · 5th July 2005, 22:57

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Originally Posted by khaadu75

Either the oil dip stick is showing a wrong reading as according to that the oil level is perfect but the oil light comes on briefly while cornering and the mech says thats due to a faulty oil switch. Wat wud b the right oil spec ?? Also wat do u mean by tappets are shot and how does that happen

I'm pretty convinced its low oil level.
If the oil light comes on, then its 'dangerously' low. I'm sorry but your mechanic is talking bullcrap. When you corner, the oil sloshes to one side in the pan and the sensor is exposed to air. (sensor should always be in oil). At this time, even the oil pickup tube may not be dipped in oil and you could be getting oil starvation (which is dangerous to the engine. In racing cars they use baffles in the pan to keep it from sloshing. Similar effects can be seen on heavy braking when the nose dives.

Your dipstick is damaged most likely. Make sure the rubber fitting on the dipstick is not fallen off. If that's the case, it will go down lower than it should and therefore indicate a higher oil level. Try a dipstick from a different Palio or drain and refill to the specified amount.

Shot is just slang meaning its damaged. That can happen due to oil starvation. Only one or many could be damaged. Wrong spec means wrong viscosity or just using cheap oil which wont have the detergents.

IndigoXLGrandDi · 16th June 2011, 18:40

The Works Manager of Sterling Motors, Solapur Nitin Patil, had told me long back that the Common Rail Diesel Engines do not require Tappet Setting. The Tappet Clearance of Common Rail Engine is automatically adjusted. Is it so?

If there is need to adjust the Tappet Clearance of Common Rail Diesel Engine--
1) How can one come to know that the Tappet Clearance needs adjustment?
2) How much time is required to get the Tappet Setting Done?
3) Does the Head needs to be opened for Tappet Setting?
4) Would a Local Garage be able to adjust the Tappet Clearance of a Common Rail Engine?
5) How to identify whether the Tappet Clearance has been adjusted on a particular vehicle?

IndigoXLGrandDi · 17th June 2011, 21:21

How to locate the cam belt tensioner in Indigo XL Grand Dicor?
Is it a DIY job to check the Tightness of Cam Belt Tensioner? If not, then how much time is required in A$$/Local Garage? How much charges?

How to identify whether its the sound of Tappet?

IndigoXLGrandDi · 6th July 2011, 16:06

Any answers guys?

Twenty Days have been passed without any quotes.
Experts Please answer the questions.
Thanks.
Sorry for quoting my own message.

4th July 2005, 18:46	#1
khaadu75 BANNED Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: same as the proposed venue for F1 ;-) Posts: 1,146 Thanked: 20 Times View My Garage	Tappet sound? guys, the tappets of my car have started making a knocking sound !!! Me puzzled .... pls advise cheers
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iceman91 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: melbourne/banga Posts: 1,961 Thanked: 36 Times View My Garage	get them set at a mech...prefer to get them set when the engine is cold...a 15 minute job
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khaadu75 BANNED Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: same as the proposed venue for F1 ;-) Posts: 1,146 Thanked: 20 Times View My Garage	The mech told me that the palio's tappets may b hydraulic and they cant b set !! Is that true ... I was thinking of taking it to the authorised work shop but then I dont hae too much of faith in them ..lol cheers
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4th July 2005, 22:02	#5
iceman91 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: melbourne/banga Posts: 1,961 Thanked: 36 Times View My Garage	oh sorry yes, hydraulic tappets are self adjusting, agree with trueno20v. you did not mention the car...hence the goof up
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Mpower Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Bangalore Posts: 10,397 Thanked: 1,735 Times View My Garage	Its is all the time or only for a couple minutes after cold start? Possible causes: Low oil level Wrong spec oil tappets are shot outside temp too cold.
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tsk1979 Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 23,688 Thanked: 23,494 Times View My Garage	In diesel indica they do injector bleeding to cure the problem
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5th July 2005, 10:39	#8
iceman91 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: melbourne/banga Posts: 1,961 Thanked: 36 Times View My Garage	a slight tappet noise at cold start is normal in cars but if it does not decrease as the car warms up then you are in torouble
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5th July 2005, 11:59	#9
Trueno20v Newbie Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 13 Thanked: 0 Times	Coulld be "valve rap" as well. Nothing serious though. Nozzle calibration usually solves that.
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5th July 2005, 12:30	#10
Psycho Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Bangalore Posts: 1,040 Thanked: 111 Times View My Garage	Khaadu ... did some digging around and came to know that even if the cam belt tensioner is not tight enough it could cause this problem, this is a minor check for you to do. If the cam belt is loose please tighten immediately and hopefully your problem should go. Palio's are known to have the tappet sound problem when the engine is cold but when the hydraulics are filled with oil the sound should go. It wont if you have low oil levels... If both the cam belt and the oil is fine then you will have to check the oil pump itself as the last resort before moving to restting the tappets...
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16th June 2011, 18:40	#13
IndigoXLGrandDi Senior - BHPian Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Solapur (MH-13) Posts: 1,872 Thanked: 599 Times	Re: My Experience with Tata Motors Ltd Dealers and Service Centers. The Works Manager of Sterling Motors, Solapur Nitin Patil, had told me long back that the Common Rail Diesel Engines do not require Tappet Setting. The Tappet Clearance of Common Rail Engine is automatically adjusted. Is it so? If there is need to adjust the Tappet Clearance of Common Rail Diesel Engine-- 1) How can one come to know that the Tappet Clearance needs adjustment? 2) How much time is required to get the Tappet Setting Done? 3) Does the Head needs to be opened for Tappet Setting? 4) Would a Local Garage be able to adjust the Tappet Clearance of a Common Rail Engine? 5) How to identify whether the Tappet Clearance has been adjusted on a particular vehicle? Last edited by Rehaan : 20th June 2011 at 12:52. Reason: Splitting post on request
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17th June 2011, 21:21	#14
IndigoXLGrandDi Senior - BHPian Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Solapur (MH-13) Posts: 1,872 Thanked: 599 Times	Re: Tappet sound ?? How to locate the cam belt tensioner in Indigo XL Grand Dicor? Is it a DIY job to check the Tightness of Cam Belt Tensioner? If not, then how much time is required in A$$/Local Garage? How much charges? How to identify whether its the sound of Tappet?
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6th July 2011, 16:06	#15
IndigoXLGrandDi Senior - BHPian Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Solapur (MH-13) Posts: 1,872 Thanked: 599 Times	Re: Tappet sound ?? Any answers guys? Twenty Days have been passed without any quotes. Experts Please answer the questions. Thanks. Sorry for quoting my own message.
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