Punto -Turning Steering Issue

paritosh2k · 29th October 2009, 14:20

Hi All,
I have been an avid reader on the forums and the hours of research on the forum has helped me on finalizing on my Punto 1.4 EP
So thanks to all the tbhpians.

I had a niggling query on the car, which i have not been able to get cleared so far from the dealer. Wanted to check with other punto owners on the same.

"The steering when turned extreme left or extreme right (i.e. when it cant be turned further), there is a slight hiss. this goes away if i give the steering a bit of slack. Is this a problem with the steering or its the way punto letting you know you are turning too much?

I have a swift lxi which doesnt give any such feedback when turned either ways.

Any thoughts would be appreciated.

Thanks

somebodystopme · 29th October 2009, 15:05

I didnt notice any such thing during my test drive I turned the steering complete twice... No hiss nothing...even if it is it must be a very very low hiss. Which normally you are notable to hear...

ImmortalZ · 29th October 2009, 15:08

The hiss is the power steering releasing pressure through a bypass valve which would otherwise blow up the rack. Don't worry about it. However, it is not advisable to keep pressure on the steering at the limit for more than 5 seconds at a time because it is the point where there is maximum forces acting in the system.

The Swift doesn't have this noise because it has EPS.

rudrah · 29th October 2009, 15:09

Paritosh, that noise should be the steering pump noise. Its there in my Palio Stile 1.6 too! I don't think you need to worry about that. Its normal.

Also it is advisable not to keep the steering to extreme left/right for long time.

deepakhon · 29th October 2009, 15:12

The hiss is perfectly OK. Do not worry about that. Just make sure you do not hold the steering in the same position for more than, say about 15 sec.

pramodkumar · 29th October 2009, 15:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by ImmortalZ

The hiss is the power steering releasing pressure through a bypass valve which would otherwise blow up the rack. Don't worry about it. However, it is not advisable to keep pressure on the steering at the limit for more than 5 seconds at a time because it is the point where there is maximum forces acting in the system.

The Swift doesn't have this noise because it has EPS.

I get a whine in my lancer, are there any issues with the pump, the A S S said it could be they are not sure

Pramod

ImmortalZ · 29th October 2009, 15:16

Is the whine present all the time? In that case, it is something that needs to be investigated. If the noise is present only when the steering is at the extremities, it is normal. But if it's getting louder, then once again, the system needs to be inspected.

paritosh2k · 29th October 2009, 16:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by ImmortalZ

The hiss is the power steering releasing pressure through a bypass valve which would otherwise blow up the rack. Don't worry about it. However, it is not advisable to keep pressure on the steering at the limit for more than 5 seconds at a time because it is the point where there is maximum forces acting in the system.

The Swift doesn't have this noise because it has EPS.

Thanks ImmortalZ for the reassuaring reply.
never drove a Hydraulic Power Steering vehicle hence felt like a bit weird.

5 Seconds:

A gut feel clock forces to get rid of the steering as soon as i hear it. Have to do that only when trying to squeeze in a parking spot..

Cheers
Paritosh

ms001 · 29th October 2009, 16:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by paritosh2k

Thanks ImmortalZ for the reassuaring reply.
never drove a Hydraulic Power Steering vehicle hence felt like a bit weird.

5 Seconds:

A gut feel clock forces to get rid of the steering as soon as i hear it. Have to do that only when trying to squeeze in a parking spot..

Cheers
Paritosh

I have punto active mjd and the behavior is the same as in yours, there a sound like liquid transfer.

neoonwheels · 29th October 2009, 17:43

Yes it is because of HPS. My Palio also shows this behavior when steering is locked to extreme. This is normal. As Immortalz said, do not keep it locked at the extreme position.

Mods: As this is not an issue, please mark this thread as "Not issue" as this may create an impression that the car is having steering wheel issue. Not everybody reads the whole thread.

Trust_In_Thrust · 29th October 2009, 22:46

This is not a issue at all . It is totally normal for Hydraulic Power Steering Systems such as in Santro , Punto etc.

lancer_rit · 29th October 2009, 22:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trust_In_Thrust

This is not a issue at all . It is totally normal for Hydraulic Power Steering Systems such as in Santro , Punto etc.

Spot on. I find it in my Lancer as well.

paritosh2k · 29th October 2009, 22:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by neoonwheels

Yes it is because of HPS. My Palio also shows this behavior when steering is locked to extreme. This is normal. As Immortalz said, do not keep it locked at the extreme position.

Mods: As this is not an issue, please mark this thread as "Not issue" as this may create an impression that the car is having steering wheel issue. Not everybody reads the whole thread.

Mods:
Agree with the comments. Its is Not an Issue but "std behaviour". Can you pl. change the title and close the thread. Thanks

Chuchan · 30th November 2009, 11:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by paritosh2k

"The steering when turned extreme left or extreme right (i.e. when it cant be turned further), there is a slight hiss. this goes away if i give the steering a bit of slack. Is this a problem with the steering or its the way punto letting you know you are turning too much?

Thanks

Here is my take.

So far I have crossed 9K kms I never had an issues with steering until, last week. during extreme turn (even in 40kmph) I get a beep sound warning with hand brake symbol on. The moment the steering is straight again the hand brake symbol turns off. I was in Chennai, I easily face this all the time when I take a curvy turn in Gundy flyover Chennai. (Tambram to Anna Salai, people in Chennai can get a better idea on what road I am talking)

I spoke to my service advice on phone he said is just a precaution warning you come to Bangalore we will do a routine check. But last 2 days when take a extreme turn, I get a beep sound, hand brake symbol on, and I get a message on dashboard, “ brake fluid level insufficient do not proceed”. on my return I tried to check the brake fluid in SHELL and found it is in normal level (above min).

Planning take for check up, top-up etc this week.

leadf00t · 30th November 2009, 12:01

yes i also geta whine in my lancer at each steeering lock .

guess its normals. hush i too was a bit worried when parking at tight spaces.

Quote:

Originally Posted by pramodkumar

I get a whine in my lancer, are there any issues with the pump, the A S S said it could be they are not sure

Pramod

Quote:

Originally Posted by lancer_rit

Spot on. I find it in my Lancer as well.

29th October 2009, 14:20	#1
paritosh2k BHPian Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Pune Posts: 35 Thanked: 0 Times	Punto -Turning Steering Issue Hi All, I have been an avid reader on the forums and the hours of research on the forum has helped me on finalizing on my Punto 1.4 EP So thanks to all the tbhpians. I had a niggling query on the car, which i have not been able to get cleared so far from the dealer. Wanted to check with other punto owners on the same. "The steering when turned extreme left or extreme right (i.e. when it cant be turned further), there is a slight hiss. this goes away if i give the steering a bit of slack. Is this a problem with the steering or its the way punto letting you know you are turning too much? I have a swift lxi which doesnt give any such feedback when turned either ways. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks
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29th October 2009, 15:05	#2
somebodystopme BHPian Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Delhi Posts: 519 Thanked: 43 Times View My Garage	I didnt notice any such thing during my test drive I turned the steering complete twice... No hiss nothing...even if it is it must be a very very low hiss. Which normally you are notable to hear...
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29th October 2009, 15:08	#3
ImmortalZ Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Trivandrum Posts: 2,195 Thanked: 597 Times View My Garage	The hiss is the power steering releasing pressure through a bypass valve which would otherwise blow up the rack. Don't worry about it. However, it is not advisable to keep pressure on the steering at the limit for more than 5 seconds at a time because it is the point where there is maximum forces acting in the system. The Swift doesn't have this noise because it has EPS. Last edited by ImmortalZ : 29th October 2009 at 15:10.
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29th October 2009, 15:09	#4
rudrah BHPian Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Navi Mumbai Posts: 644 Thanked: 47 Times View My Garage	Paritosh, that noise should be the steering pump noise. Its there in my Palio Stile 1.6 too! I don't think you need to worry about that. Its normal. Also it is advisable not to keep the steering to extreme left/right for long time.
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29th October 2009, 15:12	#5
deepakhon Senior - BHPian Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Bangalore Posts: 1,441 Thanked: 65 Times	The hiss is perfectly OK. Do not worry about that. Just make sure you do not hold the steering in the same position for more than, say about 15 sec.
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29th October 2009, 15:16	#7
ImmortalZ Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Trivandrum Posts: 2,195 Thanked: 597 Times View My Garage	Is the whine present all the time? In that case, it is something that needs to be investigated. If the noise is present only when the steering is at the extremities, it is normal. But if it's getting louder, then once again, the system needs to be inspected.
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29th October 2009, 17:43	#10
neoonwheels Senior - BHPian Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Pune Posts: 2,069 Thanked: 1,881 Times View My Garage	Yes it is because of HPS. My Palio also shows this behavior when steering is locked to extreme. This is normal. As Immortalz said, do not keep it locked at the extreme position. Mods: As this is not an issue, please mark this thread as "Not issue" as this may create an impression that the car is having steering wheel issue. Not everybody reads the whole thread.
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29th October 2009, 22:46	#11
Trust_In_Thrust BANNED Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: New Delhi Posts: 768 Thanked: 349 Times	This is not a issue at all . It is totally normal for Hydraulic Power Steering Systems such as in Santro , Punto etc.
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