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| Re: 2011 Toyota Etios Liva Diesel: 1 Year & 10,000kms Now, coming to the car: Exteriors & Interiors
Lets be honest. The car doesn't look all that bad, though not great either.
Similarly, Build Quality is not its forte, and the metal used seems quite flimsy. Incidentally, the only one dent on the car is from when my driver (a heavyset old chap) was leaning against the front right fender. I was quite shocked when I heard about the incident, and am naturally a little worried. While there is a good possibility the car might have been designed such a way from a safety point of view (similar to the NHC), coming from an all European household (Fiesta, Octavia, etc.), I wasn't quite pleased.
That aside, the panel gaps are even all across, and the paint quality isn't poor either. Cost cutting is evident with only one reverse light, lack of a rear defogger and rear wash/wipe, and one wiper (as effective as it is). However, thankfully Toyota didn't reduce costs by bringing in skinnier tyres.
The story continues on the inside, which is quite a simple layout barring the speedometer in the center, which turned quite a few off.
That plus, the low quality plastics on the dash, coupled with the staid looks are probably half the reason why the car hasn't been the success story that it should have been.
Every panel you touch is made up of cheap hard plastic, barring the switches for the headlight and wiper. This is a car that I feel will have a few rattles as it starts to age.
In fact, the left dashboard speaker cover started coming loose within days of taking delivery.
We fitted an after market Pioneer HU in the car (one of the base models with MP3 and Aux-In), and that it self was a little hard, as the center consoles plastic was very thin, and fitting it back perfectly wasn't as easy. In fact, one side is still slightly lose.
Would like to hear other members experience regarding this. Could be my ICE guy, but he is well reputed on the forum.
Sound quality from the stock speakers is ok. Nothing to complain about, except that it might have been better if 2 speakers were placed in the rear doors instead of all 4 being placed in the front doors and dash.
On the same note, I wasn't a big fan of the fabric used on the seats, and noticed that my back would be a little damp by the time I reached my destination.
Similarly, some of the dials, especially the headlight leveling, and the one to open the bonnet are quite crude in design, but work surprisingly well.
The less said about the power window switches, the better. Very crude, and not comfortable to use.
However, the biggest advantage the Etios offers you in terms of design and interiors is its practicality! The interiors have a huge glovebox, lots of cubby holes for storage, adequate door pockets on the front seat, and dials that are within easy reach.
There is a lot of space, and as a 6'2" driver, who likes to recline his seat, there are no complaints from the back benchers. Similarly, those odd days when I am not driving, i can push the passenger seat all the way ahead, and sit comfortably like a seth with my left foot crossed over my right knee!
An interesting observation though is that the rear seat is flat, as the floor hump is quite small. On a recent test drive given to my friends father, he pointed out how this arrangement is so much more comfortable on those long trips with 3 people in the back.
However, back benchers will miss an armrest. Engine & Performance:
Fire the engine up, and you would know you are sitting in a diesel.
However, it honestly isn't that bad. Sure, it does sound a little utilitarian and not as refined as some of the other diesels, but somehow, its got a very reassuring note to it as you start driving off - maybe not evident at first, but as you use it more, you start liking it.
Coming from the fiesta, the first thing I noticed was that the clutch was superb light! Gears slotted well - though not slick, and off we went. Minimal turbo lag, and the car was happy pottering about town.
Even after 10K km, the engine has opened up considerably well, and with the AC off, is quite a joy to use.
It's peppy, has minimal turbo lag, and can do some decent speeds! While it won't win any races, it definitely won't give you any reason to complain. Thanks to the added cylinder and a 200cc, this engine is a lot more relaxed and easier to live with than many of the other hatches that come with 1.2L and 1.3L engines. The i20 CRDi though, would blow the car away in this department.
The best part is when you go to the fuel station and and walk away with money still in your wallet! The car is very frugal!
Living in Mumbai, doing short runs, and in some very traffic prone areas, the car surprised me with a FE of 15.75kmpl.
While this might seem on the low side for most, in contrast, our Fiesta gives us 13.5kmpl with the same usage. The Driving Experience:
The first time I drove it, I was amazed at how easy it was to drive. That is a feeling that hasn't changed throughout the year.
Even with fancier cars at home, this would still be the car I would look forward to drive to work.
A super light steering, light controls, and great visibility! Perfect for the city! The above average handling was an added bonus, as well as the pliant city ride which was better than many popular hatches. As shocking as it is, this was a car I actually enjoyed to drive in the city, zipping through traffic, as well as on slightly open roads with soft curves. The superb brakes only add to the comfort levels in the city. However, one should be careful of the blindspot created by the large A pillars.
Those rare times that I went into triple digit territory, I was decently pleased with its stability, and the steering was quite stable. However, these were under ideal conditions, on straight and superb roads. I cannot comment for the odd rainy day with high speed winds. What I can though, is the high speed ride quality, which I am not at all comfortable with. While other hatches might offer similar ride, I personally am not a big fan of the way the car bounces over above average undulations at speeds of 60kmph or higher. I am sure the Figo and Vista should handle it better, but cannot comment on the others. So, Would I Buy it Again?
To be honest, today the new i20 makes a superb case for itself. Similarly, so does the Figo.
Depending on what my budget it, and my priorities are, I might find myself going for one of those.
However, if my needs remained the same, there is no doubt I would give the Liva a hard look! A car that is spacious, peppy, easy to drive, practical and should be low maintenance and reliable. It may not have the best features, or the best interiors, but at its price point, it surely makes a case for the chauffeur driven who need a city car.
Unfortunately, this car is no longer with us. Due to a recent spike in the running of the Fiesta, the company felt it would be better to do those runs in a newer car as opposed to the 95,000km run fiesta. That coupled with the fact that finding a 24/7 driver in Mumbai is hard, and that dad might have to drive on his own once in a while, the thought of a diesel auto crossed his mind. These reasons combined, resulted in the Liva going back to the company for its intended purpose, taking a swap with the Fiesta, as well as the entrant of a new comer: The Skoda Laura DSG.
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