[gkveda]

Originally Posted by D33-PAC

I was driving 50-60% of the time with one hand on the wheel, one hand on the nose-lift button circled in purple.

Pardon my ignorance. I may be completely wrong. And I know, I am going against the tide. For me, it looks like a case of dangerous and risky driving.

First of all, it was mid night driving. Secondly, it was on normal City roads (I mean, not Track) Thirdly, The car is driven on Indian Roads that are known for surprises. With all these, If the car is driven at 150 KMPH and above with one hand on steering and another on Instrument console, In my view, this is the only thing that can be expected.

I fully agree that you have driven faster cars than this with super driving skills. But, without increasing the conscious levels, if a car is driven, then the cars are prone to have these damages in my view

There are many instances where Even Motorsport Champions have lost their lives due to such driving. Just a sample here (Motorsport champion Ashwin Sundar passes away in tragic road accident)

[sarathlal]

Originally Posted by GTO

Also, please share the cost of rental? I was in USA recently and got a couple of fun cars on Turo (Cayman, Corvette). Would love to get something exotic like this just for the experience.

If you are looking for track usage, Lambo's can be obtained at around ~ 200$ for 3 lap (deals usually comes in sites like Groupon)
This typically would be 3 lap track; one with instructor and rest two for the renter.

If its day rental, its around 2000$ per day for Lambo. That's what I could learn from zadart, based out of Seattle. They accept normal insurance with sufficient liability coverage.

But I did not go ahead with the rental, as was still skeptical about the insurance part and its liabilities and the unknowns that surround it
Maybe OP can provide more insights about insurance aspects associated with high value rentals.

[ChiragM]

Nice write up D33-PAC. Enjoyed reading it.

Originally Posted by D33-PAC

The Aventador S isn't as exotic looking as the other Aventadors. I got way fewer looks on the road compared to the other model I drove.

I totally agree with this. I prefer the older Aventador over the S version. I was immediately disappointed when I saw the new car. The first older looked more spaceship-like than the S.

Subpar gearbox, very clunky and moody at low RPMS and bad transmission gearing

In his review, Clarkson says that it is the worst car he has driven in years. And about the gearbox, this is what he got to say:

Perhaps the best example of this is the transmission, which Clarkson says makes you feel like “you’re in a butter churn that’s tumbling down a hill” every time you change gear.

Source

Senseless spaceship like center console just for the heck of oddness doesn't exactly make it better IMHO.

I cant talk about the quality of materials used (presumed it to be good considering the price) and the ergonomics. But I do like the spaceship centre console. It sort of matches the car's exterior, at least in the old one.

I have to say I found this pathetic. The seats in my Lexus are eons ahead in comfort levels.

The older Aventadors had a serious circulation and fan problem at low speeds. You could die of asphyxiation in summers

The Aventador was never built to compete against a Lexus in comfort. But on the other hand, your points do show that big V12 Lambos are still a menance to drive in the city or live with on a day-to-day basis. Lamborghini might have come a long way from the days of the Countach and the Diablo, but have ensured that these big cars are still a bit MAD. But at least, the AC works in these new cars. Imagine driving a 5+ crore car on Indian streets in the summer and the AC conks out.

The pixilation wasn't right and you couldn't see ditches and dings in the roads properly.

Expected all these things to have improved and at-par as the car is now owned by the Germans. Sad to read that the rear view camera, such an essential feature in a car like, is terrible. Maybe that's Aventador drivers prefer parking like this:

Source

I got the shock of my life when I noticed no cosmetic damage upon checking after a pullover, but later realized the rim deformed.

One reason why we HATE low profile tyres on Indian roads. We see so many cars with low profile tyres with damaged rims thanks to the craters we have here. I really wonder how supercars owners deal with that, especially if 3/4th an inch can do this. You need to be doubley sure the road is super smooth in this country before even looking at the accelerator.

Everything at this point is just guesswork, and you do not want to do that on a car with a nose as expensive as this or as anything as this.

A famous supercar garage in Bangalore has a Vorsteiner body kit on a Huracan. The very first time the car came out, on a tiny elevation change, the front lip ended up making out with the tarmac. I was right next to the car and it sounded like a lot of money burnt.

The gearbox issues on this car aside, the best place to enjoy these cars is on the track. The only supercar I've driven is the 430 and at that time, none of the points in the interior mattered. I dint notice a damn thing there. It's just me and the lovely engine, gearbox, steering and that exhaust note.

Overall, I don't know if I should be happy or sad that Lamborghini has retained some of the lunacy that made them so popular.

[Starfire]

Originally Posted by D33-PAC

I have tracked a Gallardo and cars in that class. A shorter wheelbase makes a car more agile in corners and lighter weight always helps.

Alright, so I liked your post in which you show the other side of things. But when someone compares the luxurious seats in his Lexus to the buckets found in a Lamborghini saying the former is more comfortable, I'd probably laugh a bit and never take what you say ever seriously again.
Don't take me wrong but It's like saying I find first-class seats in an Airplane more comfortable than Economy seats. Like duh!

Similarly, when you compare the Single Clutch Semi Auto in the Aventador to the DCT of the Huracan, it becomes apples to oranges. Remember the Aventador predates the Huracan.

That being aside, it's not always about a short wheelbase and being lighter. It's about the overall package. The Aventador is more brutal, rough, tingles ever sense in the driver, makes his backside hurt, makes him deaf with the screaming V12, its a task driving that thing but boy does he enjoy it. When you drive a Huracan, you feel you're driving a Supercar but when you drive an Aventador, you feel you're driving a Lamborghini! (Yes they come from making Tractors) It's the overall experience that counts. The legendary Lamborghini Countach had a similar story. There were cars in the same era which were comfier and easier to drive than it, but heck they were no Countach. It tested every minute skill of the driver and rewarded him with a once in a lifetime feeling.

Ohh and by the way, Aventadors are made for the track. Sure they drive on the road but that's not what they are made for! An analogy would be that you can drive a single propeller airplane on the runway/road and criticize each and every bump you feel on the road, but that's not what its made for! It's made to fly just like how the Aventador is made for the track!

[D33-PAC]

Originally Posted by Starfire

Alright, so I liked your post in which you show the other side of things. But when someone compares the luxurious seats in his Lexus to the buckets found in a Lamborghini saying the former is more comfortable, I'd probably laugh a bit and never take what you say ever seriously again.
Don't take me wrong but It's like saying I find first-class seats in an Airplane more comfortable than Economy seats. Like duh!

Similarly, when you compare the Single Clutch Semi Auto in the Aventador to the DCT of the Huracan, it becomes apples to oranges. Remember the Aventador predates the Huracan.

That being aside, it's not always about a short wheelbase and being lighter. It's about the overall package. The Aventador is more brutal, rough, tingles ever sense in the driver, makes his backside hurt, makes him deaf with the screaming V12, its a task driving that thing but boy does he enjoy it. When you drive a Huracan, you feel you're driving a Supercar but when you drive an Aventador, you feel you're driving a Lamborghini! (Yes they come from making Tractors) It's the overall experience that counts. The legendary Lamborghini Countach had a similar story. There were cars in the same era which were comfier and easier to drive than it, but heck they were no Countach. It tested every minute skill of the driver and rewarded him with a once in a lifetime feeling.

Ohh and by the way, Aventadors are made for the track. Sure they drive on the road but that's not what they are made for! An analogy would be that you can drive a single propeller airplane on the runway/road and criticize each and every bump you feel on the road, but that's not what its made for! It's made to fly just like how the Aventador is made for the track!

Agreed but again, I wrote this in the context of using an Aventador on civil roads. I’m sure I’d be harping about the car had I tracked it.


Lastly I find the fact that the HuraCan predates the Aventador a weak excuse for the horrible tranny. The car I had the exact Aventador S costs 2.5 crores in USA and 5 in India.If you’re paying that kind of money for a car the least they can give you is a drama less tranny.


There were many moments when I slammed the pedal at green lights to show off and only ended up hurting myself.

Aventador S full blast take off with low rpm shifts:

Second 1: Car lunges forward abruptly as if a truck hit the back

Second 2: V12 roars up to 5K rpm

Second 3: Shift to second gear and HUGE VIOLENT JERK AND engine note changes while the cabin feels like an earthquake ripples through

Second 4: vehicle stabilises to one fluid motion

Second 5: after 3rd and above shifts become seamless and smooth


It’s amazing you have to pay 5 crores in India and 2.5 in USA to torture yourself in such a prestigious manner!



Also, I don’t get the entire “it’s a track car” logic.
80-90% of these vehicles are used on civil roads. That’s why they have to pass NHTSA standards . If they didn’t intend for it to be used on civil roads and face practical problems without any complaints it shouldn’t even be sold for public use.

If you don’t want people like me bitching about it, then don’t let people use it in angles where they’ll see the cons and bitch about it.


Also, just for the record. The SVJs in India , the green one in Hyderabad and the red one in Bangalore see more time on public roads than the Delhi track.

Your case is theoretical mine is practical. Neither is wrong or right. Everyone’s allowed to opine. But I certainly did come to this forum and thread with a very particular negative bias against this car . What good would it be if I told you the V12 sounds nice or the corners are fun. Anyone and everyone knows that. What they don’t know is how it’s not as glamorous as it’s made to be, which is a perspective every one with access to the internet can’t tell you.

I’m probably one of the few people with the distinction of having driven an Aventador on public roads and damaged the rim on a pothole. Now every time someone says Lamborghini it gives me mixed feelings.

[D33-PAC]

Originally Posted by gkveda

Pardon my ignorance. I may be completely wrong. And I know, I am going against the tide. For me, it looks like a case of dangerous and risky driving.

First of all, it was mid night driving. Secondly, it was on normal City roads (I mean, not Track) Thirdly, The car is driven on Indian Roads that are known for surprises. With all these, If the car is driven at 150 KMPH and above with one hand on steering and another on Instrument console, In my view, this is the only thing that can be expected.

I fully agree that you have driven faster cars than this with super driving skills. But, without increasing the conscious levels, if a car is driven, then the cars are prone to have these damages in my view

There are many instances where Even Motorsport Champions have lost their lives due to such driving. Just a sample here (Motorsport champion Ashwin Sundar passes away in tragic road accident)

No no, I had both hands on wheels at high speed runs.Actually there is no way you can have a one handed high speed run.

Let's go through this logic.

1. Aventador can only be used on flawless roads with zero issues for high speed runs. TRUE

2. I found a flawless, single lane, one way, empty, both sides concrete barriered one way pathway 6-10 kilometers long at late night just for the purpose of a high speed run. TRUE

3. Thus it is pointless to have one hand on the nose lift button as it is irrelevant on a flat and perfect piece of road such as said road in point no. 2. TRUE

4. Therefore we can arrive at the logic at high speed run I did not use one hand. TRUE and I concur.


As a rule of thumb, if you need one hand on the nose lift button during a high speed run, it's a horrible plan to begin with because the road isn't right.

[GTO]

Originally Posted by sarathlal

If you are looking for track usage, Lambo's can be obtained at around ~ 200$ for 3 lap (deals usually comes in sites like Groupon)
This typically would be 3 lap track; one with instructor and rest two for the renter.

If its day rental, its around 2000$ per day for Lambo.

Thanks!

I think I'd probably go for more laps (say a 10-lap deal) on the track instead. Reasons:

- I can actually push the car. My brother-in-law & his friends tracked some really sweet cars in Vegas for <$1000 (included a McLaren).

- It's way cheaper. $2000+ is steep! Plus, in the USA, I couldn't find any public road to rev the Cayman or Corvette in 3rd gear, leave aside a Lamborghini.

[suhaas307]

I agree.

I find it truly staggering how some collectors drive their Aventadors on city streets, or for that matter, even on highways and expressways in India.

The Aventador, in particular, is a car you buy not for the track. It's not an outright track bully (although it has recorded some astonishing times in the right hands and under the right conditions). It's a car you buy to stamp your authority and announce your arrival - so to speak.

If you really want a sports car for city streets, I can't really think of any car other than maybe a Porsche Cayman/Boxster.

Another sports car that would be great for use on our broken roads is the new Alpine A110. Have a close look at one, and you'll notice that the front splitter is swept upwards and this is done deliberately so that the car clears rougher roads. It is, after all, inspired by its rally-roots.

Great thread! Top class content!

[D33-PAC]

Originally Posted by suhaas307

I agree.



If you really want a sports car for city streets, I can't really think of any car other than maybe a Porsche Cayman/Boxster.

Great thread! Top class content!

You hit the nail on the head my friend.

I've driven:

1. Ferrari 458 Italia (tracked)
2. Nissan GTR ( tracked)
3. Dodge Viper (tracked)
4. Audi R8 (tracked)
5. Lamborghini Gallardo (tracked)
6. Porsche 911 GT2 (Tracked)
7. Porsche Carrera Turbo (roads)
8. Aventador 2016 Spyder (roads)
9. Aventador S (roads)
10. Corvette Z06 (roads)
11. Corvette Z51 (roads)
12. AMG GTS (roads)



After my extensive supercar experience/sports car experience.

The mature adult in me is salivating thinking about an Audi TT or the highest form of it.

Lightweight, RWD, very agile, short-wheelbase, and fair ground clearance. Commercially mass produced so I don't have to worry about treating it like the Kohinoor diamond as I can afford damages. A practical man's dream car for sporty road excursions granted you live in a place where even a 911 is a bit extreme.

[forty6]

I find this review and your criticism of my poster car churlish and pedantic. What is a little discomfort, a shit gearbox, back problems and frivolities like half a million dollars in front of a V12 that shoots FLAMES!!!!!!

It is a prettier, though very expensive, substitute for Viagra.

Come on, just look at that thing, the whole point of getting this thing is to throw away the wife, furniture, kids and other such trinklets and keep this. Inside your house. And stare at it. Till you feel like hearing the V12, and at that point arranging for transport and sending it to a track and arriving there in the cosy comfort that is the back seat of a Merc S class.

As Clarkson once said, about the Alfa 4C though, this is like owning art. Art that you can sit and drive away in to the next gallery. It is an art gallery wherever it is parked.

You don't get a Lambo to drive around in, you get it to drive away the banality that comes with existence.

Jokes apart, you review is quite probably spot on, its reason not so much.

And I don't think Porsche's rims will fare any better on our potholes and speedbreakers, our road contractors are socialist like that.

[VijayAnand1]

Practical Astute and Fun. It's been a while since I've read a short, simple and concise review, it felt as though I myself was behind the wheel. Kudos for sharing this very excellent tidbit. I think the entire car ownership of years of this stature can be summated into your post, again and again.

Cheers!
VJ

[TSIVTEC]

This review just proved my point.Lambos are meant for parking lots and attention seekers(excluding the performante).Not saying that Ferrari is any better but atleast you don't get a shitty AMT in theirs.

I understand if you buy a supercar you have to deal with it's share of problems but not to the point where it starts hurting yourself.

That's why I consider the Porsche 991.2 Turbo S to be the legend of all times.Sure it doesn't have the sound and the looks at me factor,but the way it goes is something not many supercars can match.Heck even the Model S P100d is tied at a quarter mile.Plus it can do your daily runabouts too.It might just be the best sports/supercar for Indian conditions.

https://youtu.be/j0a_yS1tgV0

https://youtu.be/QU-mirS_nbE

[D33-PAC]

Originally Posted by TSIVTEC

This review just proved my point.Lambos are meant for parking lots and attention seekers(excluding the performante).Not saying that Ferrari is any better but atleast you don't get a shitty AMT in theirs.

I understand if you buy a supercar you have to deal with it's share of problems but not to the point where it starts hurting yourself.

That's why I consider the Porsche 991.2 Turbo S to be the legend of all times.Sure it doesn't have the sound and the looks at me factor,but the way it goes is something not many supercars can match.Heck even the Model S P100d is tied at a quarter mile.Plus it can do your daily runabouts too.It might just be the best sports/supercar for Indian conditions.

Excellent. As someone who drove the Porsche 911 and an Aventador S , both recent models, let me opine .

911
Proper driver’s car. If you like to behave like a kick boxer behind a steering wheel this is the vehicle.

The Dow shirts are crisp and on point and quick. The F1 style shift up to downshift and shift down to upshift literally gives you the feel of a race car .

The AC IS LEAGUES AHEAD of a Lambo. I have to say the AC in a 911 is probably the best I’ve ever experienced in a car forget race car. This adds to practically daily value.

Much better visibility for viewing . Front and sides. At no time do you feel like the rear view is a blocker because the majority of other views are fine.

The steering is much more precise in corners and harder giving you a proper feel in high speed turns where the last thing you want is a light steering feel.


Cons are probably that it barely passed as a supercar because nobody looks except fellow enthusiasts.
Boring sound.

But if you ask me, there’s just nothing like a 911. Ask anyone who’s ever tracked a car and they’ll tell you that the 911 GT series is their favourite. It eats corners and curves for a living.



now I’ve already mentioned much about the aventador so I won’t repeat but I’d you ask me I guess the value of each car depends on your usage perspective.

A rich guy in India who wants to be noticed and wants his ego satiated and doesn’t know or care much about the car itself is probably much better off in an Aventador. It does make sense for him. Why would he need a 911 unless he’s going to drive like The Transporter.


The sound of the V12 is also something worthy of pursuit over a flat engine the Porsche bears.


Having said that I’d definitely own both cars if I could.

The 911 for winding empty hill roads.
The Aventador for Friday Saturday and Sunday flamboyant drives.

I’d be lying to you if I told you I didn’t feel good when everyone was staring at me at the mall parking lots haha. Those few seconds when you walk up to a car and get into which everyone is looking at. Makes you stand out !

[AMG Power]

The reason hard core supercar enthusiasts buy supercars or hypercars is NOT driving pleasure. A serious enthusiast does not include one who uses the car largely to park in the neighbourhood hotspot to gain eyeballs. Additionally these cars are not about creature comforts, not about good seats and not about good airconditioning. If that sort of stuff floats your boat you will actually get more pleasure in a Ford Ecosport than a Lambo and I don't mean that in a bad way.

The REAL PLEASURE in driving a Lamborghini is when your driving skills can tame the beast and you can make it do your bidding. Traditional "driving pleasure" is something that most of these supercars don't have, and the real thrill lies in being able to harness and control its wild side and the more you can do so and tame the beast, the more thrill and pleasure one gets. Of course, given the right roads, an unfortunate rarity in India.

The highest level of this game is when you have proven to yourself that you are able to master all that the car can throw at you giving DUE RESPECT to the laws of physics and the limitations of one's driving skills.

A slightly wilder though not completely inaccurate analogy is the rodeo where folks go all out, risk their lives just to control the beast and that is where they get their thrill. It is among the many reasons that Lamborghini's are named after Bulls. The hardcore ones behave like them.

If you were expecting something that would respond to regular driving skills, cosset you and keep you cool then you were barking up the wrong tree. It will never be like that when supercars/ hypercars put serious power down.

The Lambo was doing what it was purpose built to do, and this time you learnt a basic lesson - be absolutely sure of the road before you put your foot down. Going fast in a Lambo is the skill of the car, going fast and not damaging the Lambo is the skill of the driver.

Just don't blame the Lambo..it was doing what it was meant to do.

[D33-PAC]

Originally Posted by AMG Power

If that sort of stuff floats your boat you will actually get more pleasure in a Ford Ecosport than a Lambo and I don't mean that in a bad way.


Just don't blame the Lambo..it was doing what it was meant to do.

Agreed.

I'm a very strange man. I'd rather be in a E63 AMG than the Aventador, but hey, that's just me .

As I told my gearhead friend who was shocked about my quips about Aventador. I am not a driver. I am not a racer. I am into leisure and comfort.

But if you are going to sacrifice comfort for driving the wheels off, maybe this is for you.