[discoverwild]

Originally Posted by burst_mode

Any opinions on how viable buying a used Mitsubishi Outlander 2010 model would be?

I might be going against the general perception here but this has been my limited experience with the car.

My brother owns one over the last 5-6 years. Bought used. It was a CVT and has a rubber band effect to the throttle. While my brother couldn't muster over 10 kmpl, I have managed to get 15 kmpl on the highway at speeds of 90-100 kmph, multiple times. It's not a beast but will take you around in good comfort and spacious enough for 5 with ample luggage space.

It comes with a shift-on-the-fly 4WD mode with both H and L with a central diff lock. Have taken it over steep inclines and gravelly surface with lots of pebbles. Mileage will drop like a rock to about 3 kmpl during such times.

If you can find a good example, and a trusted service center (authorised or neighborhood garage who works on Mitsubishi) then you can pick one up without much to worry. Spares might be an issue, but are still available. Factor in some down time, you shouldn't have any regrets.

Welcome to Team-BHP!

[sdubey23]

Originally Posted by burst_mode

Any opinions on how viable buying a used Mitsubishi Outlander 2010 model would be?

My opinion on your question is similar to what others are saying in the thread. I'd like to suggest an alternatives instead:

1. Honda CRV: Perhaps the best alternative to the outlander. It's a Honda. So, reliability will be top notch. The car sold in decent numbers in India and also a big hit abroad. So, spares and service shouldn't be an issue. It's spacious, luxurious, and a hoot to drive. It's a good VFM car while buying used.

2. Grand vitara: Not a hot seller by any means. But, still a very good car and excellent VFM while buying used. Unlike the CRV and Outlander, the GV is also a proper offroader with complete low-range gearing.

[prateekswarup]

Firstly, let me apologize for not replying to some the questions asked sooner. Have been caught up!

Please see the answers to each post below the quote:

Originally Posted by ObsessedByFIAT

Great to know your car is back to how it should be! Wish you many more happy miles with it!

A few irritating questions! ( Sorry about it)

Did the mechanic identify the root cause of back compression?
Did you end up re-sleeving the block or used over sized pistons? Was the head also given a shave? How about the valves and thier associated components?
Was the radiator given a through wash and new coolant filled in?
And finally, what was the approximate cost of rebuild? You can choose not to answer this in case if you don't feel like!

Thank you for your wishes.

I think we have re-sleeved the block. The head was not given a shave. Other components were replaced. I can PM you the details. I have it somewhere with me along with the costs.

The radiator was given a wash & coolant re-filled.

Originally Posted by burst_mode

Any opinions on how viable buying a used Mitsubishi Outlander 2010 model would be?

I know there is an ASC on Pune but how easy/difficult is it to source parts?

Would love to hear from owners or those who can help me connect with those who've had one in the past.

Quite a few people like cool_dube & condor have answered. My 2 cents

• good family tourer - comfortable, easy to drive, spacious. We are a family of 3 with a dog. Multiple trips in this have allowed the family to use the large spaces available. Even with 5 adults and luggage, no complaints of space and comfort on long journeys.

• avg fuel economy - I drive to the office every day with a mix of 50% expressway & 50% Delhi NCR morning & evening traffic, I get around 10kmpl. On expressways, manage a decent 14kmpl hovering around the speed limit.

• performance - no speed rocket. This is a heavy vehicle with a CVT, so no expectations of high-performance shenanigans. My other car is a Polo GT TSI, so clearly anything in comparison will pale. However, it is no slouch. The CVT is smooth for bumper-to-bumper traffic. Highway overtakes require planning. Mountain twisties with load, I did not feel it to be breathless. Paddle shifters do help for the occasional quick dart. Overall, I'm happy with the performance. The GV 2.4 ltr is spirited & so is the CRV, but not by a lot.

• parts & service - quite the gamble. Parts are expensive to find, take time to source and servicing is non-existent. However, if you find a good FNG & parts guy, regular servicing is not much of a challenge. Where you will get stuck is in procuring not common parts like tail-lights, beading, trims, etc.

• AWD - It has Mitsubishi's All Wheel Control (AWC) which allows for 2W, 4H and 4HL modes. I have only used the 4H modes in extreme slush & rain. The rest of the time it drives on 2W mode only. However, have seen videos of AWC in snow and it seems to do the job for mild off-roading, poor roads. However, it is nowhere close to a full-time offroader or even the pick-up-based SUVs like Fortuner & Pajero Sport.

I had limited options to upgrade when I had to give up the GV due to NGT rules. Amongst the petrol options, could not find anything that had an AWD and was low on investment. Test drove the CRV, too, but did not like the in-dash gear and overall feel of the steering. The Outlander has better chassis and steering input in my opinion.

Originally Posted by cool_dube

Please stay away from a Mitsubishi, as great automobiles as they may be. Authorized after-sales support is non-existent in India, (original) parts are very expensive and procurement lead time is very high. These can be "hobby" cars at best, never recommended as primary/regular-usage cars.

I have been using mine as a daily driver for almost 120+ km every day. Yes, completely agree that maintaining one is a challenge. If not encumbered by petrol only options, there are much better choices. With the last outlander sold in 2012, if you can find any other marque, would recommend going for it because anything in the market will be 10+ years. It's not a collector's car.

[prateekswarup]

Updating this thread with the recent drive to Shimla, Narkanda and Chail.

With summer vacations for the kids, family (10 adults and 3 kids) decided to take a break to the hills - namely Shimla and surrounding areas.

We were there starting May'23 for 5 days. We took two cars, the Outlander & my in-laws Kia Selton (Petrol DCT).

Areas traveled - Kandaghat, Shimla, Narkanda, Chail, Naldera. Total Distance - 962 km. Avg fuel economy of 10 km/ltr.

As expected, the Outlander bore the brunt of the luggage considering that the Seltos boot space is considerably smaller. So we did the journey with almost a full boot, min. 4 persons and rains.

I drove both the Seltos and Outlander back to back. The Seltos is certainly quicker but overall ride comfort of the Outlander is better. With uphill climbs and full load, and with AC on most of the time (prevent fogging inside) I did not feel any challenge.

Sharing some pics of the drive.

Near Kandaghat:



At Chail:


Overall, the Outlander continues to please. We had some heavy rains when we were there but did not feel disconcerting at any time during the drive. The interior cocoons you with comfort and the Rockford Fosgate sound system does not disappoint.

[KKapadia]

Really well kept car for its age. The turbo diesel seltos will always have more torque which was the outlanders biggest drawback. As long as you are rolling up the slopes at a decent click it’s all good till you slow down and then the cvt really lags. Lack of torque and the weak steering rack were my only grouses in an otherwise superb car. The AWD drive system really is hard to beat for mild off-roading or a highway drive in bad weather. Many happy miles.

[gaurav_chopra04]

Sorry for jacking your thread Prateek. Just thought I'd put my car's update here only . Got first major repair in 11 years.

Just A brief.
Bought the 2012 car in 2017, a 5 year old one with 42k kms on clock. Now reading about 1.17 lacs.

Bought new Momo 17 inch matt black revenge alloy wheels plus pirelli cinturado P7 in 235/55 R17s for 40k and 54k respectively.

First major service at 75k kms that included changing all fluids including transmission oil, brake oil, coolant, engine oil, oil filter, Air filter, ac filter and cvt filter costed about 28k from excel motors in august-september 2020. CVT oil plus CVT filter alone costed over 12-14k.

Before this spark plugs were changed at 60k kms service sometime in 2018 at Asian Motors. Plugs alone costed about 8-9k.

Since 75k service, I have been running majorly on 4WD, makes the car feel more planted, better initial pick up and good to drive. Dont really see any difference in FE. The FE varies from 6-7 in local traffic, 10-11 in city plus small highway drives. Usual highway drives give 11-13 including mountains. Got 15.2 kmpl in december last year from shimla to delhi. Family wedding and all were driving at around 80 kmph, hence the FE.

Last year in May June with OD at 94k kms, I had an issue with misfiring, drop in FE and bad pickup. Turned out to be one BAD Ignition Coil. I now use services from SSM automobies, on Khanjawala Road. The guy, Sanjay, was the senior service technician at Asian Motors running his own workshop. he's got lift and all the right tools.

So, the OE Ignitian Coil costed 7.2k and the OE 4mm spark plugs costed 8k. Also checked the suspension, and it was on its way. Could have lasted another 10-15k but it was no more Tought and Fun. So went ahead and changed the entire front suspension, Front shocks - KYB, and the other items including suspension arms, link rods, tie rods and ends, jump rod bushes, and strut mount bearings were all OEM. The strut mounts itself were fine. Also, changed the rear shocks with KYB. With all my cars, I always make it a point to change the entire suspension at once, better immediate results = better satisfaction. the struts and arms were definitely shot, while the right side tie rod end was kaput. While sanjay sourced the coil and plugs, I sourced the suspension from Hanuman traders in Guru nanak market, kashmere gate. The entire suspension costed about 40k plus 4k labour.

I was also having a issue with bubbling, and light steering at higher speeds. The normal wheel alignment couldn't fix it. I was asked to get tyres Road force balanced by a technician at Sanjay's (he too used to work at Asian Motors). Count find one in Delhi, but found one through an old Team Bhp thread in Faridabad - Haryana Wheels Tyres. They have one fine set up and would definitely recommend them. Though expensive, they have proper equipment including a road force balancer and multiple lifts for alignment. Costed 500 per wheel for balancing and 1k for alignment. The car never drove better at higher speeds.

I also skimmed the brakes - front and rear and got brembo ceramic pads for about 7k from the dealer in goa. All together spent about 10k on brakes. The last ones were Roulunds brake pads that lasted 44k kms. they costed about 4k plus brake skimming.

So, ended up spending about 75k last year but the car was running great again.

Last month, I felt like the CVT was pretty noisy on steeps, I now park in basement, so could easily hear the noisy CVT while coming out. Also felt signigicant lag and slight jerkiness in the car. While I knew that the rear lower engine/ transmission mount was on its way, this jerkiness was different. Also, the FE went from 10-12 to 7-8ish. Figured its time to change the CVT as I have been running last 40k kms on 4WD. So, ordered the CVT oil on industry buying.com, costed 920 per litre for 11 liters. 5 Litres for flushing and 5-6 Litres for refill (since I was not changing the CVT filter, you cant drain out the entire 7.8 Litres.) Got the oil in about a week. Its Motul CVTF.

And then starting this month, things got worse, it felt like the AC compressor was cutting off but coming back on revving again. Also, the car would feel much heavier with AC on. Planned to go to Sanjay's on weekend (It was earlier a 30-40 mins drive from paschim vihar, where I used to live, but now that I have shifted to Gurgaon, and its a 2 hrs drive). Came wednesday and the car wont cool on idle. The very next day, there was also belt like noise, could feel something with compressor for sure.

Went to Sanjay's last Sunday and the big news unfolded. The AC compressor was conked off. There was redness all over the compressor clutch, this is because of heating. On opening the compressor, we figured that the clutch alone cannot be changed, as the wear and tear was internal. There was blackness all inside the lines. Hence, a new compressor was needed.

Called Kashmere gate and got 85k - 1 lac quotes for the OE ones. DAMN. The Taiwanese one was costing 16k. Since, I plan to keep the car for good 4 more years (thanks to NGT - not beyond), I wanted to get quality parts and fix the car properly. I also use the car as main car with lot of highway/mountain drives. The condenser also looked flimsy, needed flushing and cleaning.

We also inspected the throttle body and spark plugs before I left. The throttle body needed cleaning and the plugs changing (talk about driving on 4wd - frequent spark plugs and CVT Oil, differential oil and transfer case oil change. Also, there was oil near 2 of the coils because of bad tappet cover gasket.

With too much to be fixed, and the exorbitant prices, I was literally confused. The next upgrade is still a few years away (damn prices of both new and PRE-OWNED cars are sky high and as a thumb rule, I dont buy pre-owned germans over 3yrs /50k kms or japanese over 5yrs /50k kms. So the wait for some personal commitments to finish before I take plunge on the new one. Personally love the 330i M sport as an ideal choice or the new Kodiaq as an outlander upgrade.

Finally on tuesday, sanjay came up with good news. He could source the new OE compressor for 43k. Also, decided to change the Condenser for 17k (kept the old one for emergency purpose). Also sourced, OE tappet cover gasket for 5200, the belt was also old and little worn, got the outerbelt OE for 9100, OE rear lower engine/transmisson mount for 7500, and new OE spark plugs for 8800.

While opening the AC lines to be flushed, the expansion valve also broke. It costed 8800 for new, Sanjay asked to split the cost, but I refused.

Also, changed all the fluids except brake oil, OE air filter - 2800, aftermarket AC filter - Rs.400, and wiper blades.

So, all OE parts plus 6k labour and 2k AC gas costed about 1.15 lacs. plus 10k for transmission oil that I bought online. Total cost 1.25 lacs.


Whats left, the brembo pads are also on the way (not finished but gone red/hard because of high speed braking) and the discs are also shot. Significant brake shudder at higher speeds. Since the discs have already been shimmed twice, I would go ahead and replace them. The tyres too are over 5 years and nearly 70k kms old, not finished but gone old. Starting to see cracks on them. Have to go to dalhousie this month end. Will come back and get the brakes and the tyres sorted. Contemplating on getting Michelin Primacy 4. Needed Yokohama Advan V105s, but they are not available due to some import rules on tyres etc. The ones available are 2022 manufacturing.

So looking at another 70k-80k for front discs, front & rear pads and tyres. Thats about Rs. 2 lacs in total this year. Hopefully, it will be a reliable ride for the next few years now.

Will definitely post pics after the tyre change.

[prateekswarup]

Wow!

That’s a very comprehensive update Gaurav and thanks for sharing the various details and costs.

Looking forward to the photos with the new wheels.

I’m also looking to change my CVT fluid in the next 10k service. I think it’s a required preventive measure.

While you had pointed me to the Asian motors team, the distance to Paschim Vihar is a challenge.

I’m happy with the support with Goodwill here in Gurgaon.

[prateekswarup]

Independence Day weekend update.

So, this long weekend, decided to drive down to Mukteshwar in Uttarakhand. While there were apprehensions about going to the hills due to the various heavy rain alerts, close coordination with the property owner in Mukteshwar gave us the confidence to go ahead.

The total distance covered was approx 760 km. We left on the 12th morning and reached around 8 PM at night. We lost a fair amount of time at Kathkodam, where we got stuck in a traffic jam for almost 1 hour 15 mins. Due to this delay, our last 30 km to Mukteshwar from Bhowali was done in twilight and fog, which severely impeded our progress.

This was the 1st time we took our dog for the trip and the backseat of the Outlander was very helpful in ensuring that there was ample space for him and my daughter during the long drive.

The expressways from Delhi - Meerut - Moradabad are quite lovely to drive and it was sheer joy driving at speed limits. The steady suspension and overall handling were appreciated by my dog who after settling in the back seat, ended up sleeping for stretches. The Outlander really does make for a comfortable tourer.

As seen in my previous drives to the hills, the pickup and ease of driving continue to be a hallmark of the Outlander. Bad patches and potholes between the Kathgodam to Bhowali route were promptly dispatched and I was able to keep a steady pace.

However, there is always that lag that comes in when you're wanting to accelerate quickly. I observe a flat spot around 1.5-2k RPM, 40-60 km/hr, which makes fast overtaking slow.
The way I counter this is by using the paddle shifters. This experience is more for the highway rather than the hills.

The other thing that bothers me is the inadequacy of the projector headlights in heavy fog. Visibility is severely hampered due to the white light and the fog lamps are just about adequate to handle it. In my GV, the yellow headlights were better in heavy fog.

I'm thinking of carrying yellow cellophane for such encounters next. I might even try to experiment with it this coming winter in Gurgaon.

The next oil change is due in a couple of 100 km. I am thinking of getting the CVT oil change also done.

Basking in the brief respite from the rain
Newest travelling companion - Miles

[martiannomad]

My first post on Team BHP! Got quite a lot to cover!

6 years back, I found myself getting introduced to the first car in my family that my sister bought in my absence, without much discussion with me, because I was doing all nighters studying and partying at B-School. This was a pre-owned 2009 Honda Jazz MT 1.2 P iVtec 2009 model.

I learnt to drive automatic cars when I was working abroad. So Jazz was the car that helped me get comfortable with stick drive and Indian road conditions. Although I had a plethora of motorcycle riding and touring experience, driving a car, that too with your parents in the back seat, was a series of new experiences.

Jazz did what it could do the best: revv to the glory! I did numerous Navi Mumbai - Pune drives, and a few runs to Goa, Dapoli and they were fun - the most memorable being a visit to Matheran, due to its steep inclines with loose gravel underneath - quite a challenge for a new driver. But all along, despite all the goodness of Jazz, it was not my pick, but my sister’s. So, I was itching to get a car with more power + comfort + features + looks i.e. more SWAG. I was not keen on diesel cars because (a) my driving was restricted to occasional highway drives, hence low, and (b) ~30% price premium on diesel cars over petrol.

A visit to a pre-owned auto dealer in Pune in 2018 for checking out a VW Vento AT, got me intrigued about a 2010 Outlander P AT AWD 2.4 MiVec - a shining dark grey, silently waiting in the stable for its next jockey.

Although the thought was tempting, I was quite sceptical about getting a Mitsubishi, that too Outlander, for it being sold in small numbers, and ASS almost non-existent! Also Outlander being a 2.4 NA P engine + CVT, it was definitely not going to be frugal with respect to fuel bills. I was also not a fan of the look of the side profile of this car.

But, I told myself, hey, double the engine cc, half the mileage - fair deal! Also the auto dealer was quite passionate and knowledgeable about Outlanders and Cedias. He had a couple of more Outlanders on sale in his showroom. His daily driver was also an Outlander. So extensive conversation with him and my friend supplied me with sufficient confidence to take the plunge. I exchanged my Jazz and paid more in cash. My dear friend lent me some on the spot, as I didn't want to get a loan or wait for my next salary to complete the purchase - I guess he too was excited about the Outlander. And there I was: suddenly an owner of this white elephant - or not so white? I was about to find out!

Moving from Jazz to Outlander was a big step up in every aspect. For a 2010 car, the feature list was impressive. What significantly stood out were:

• Suburb comfort with Keyless entry, suspensions, AT, cabin quality and NVH
• Driving pleasure with more horses (~170) ), paddle shifters and hydraulic steering
• Superb xenon headlights making night drives safe and comfortable
• Supremely specious overall with gigantic boot space with split tailgate
• Rockford Fosgate music system with subwoofer
• Peace of AWD having my back in conditions get tough

In 2024, many of these are given for a 12+ lakh car. But in 2018, it was still a lucrative deal, considering the price it went for.

Fast forward to 2024

I’ve driven it for good ~32K and made memories for life. It never disappointed me with no breakdowns whatsoever. Some of the road trips did with Outlander:

• 800 KM trip to Hampi from Hyderabad with my wife and bicycle in Dec’23 (Yes, it comfortably fits a full size bicycle )
• 3000 KM Rajasthan trip with wife and parents in Dec’22: Navi Mumbai > Udaipur > Jodhpur > Jaisalmer > Mount Abu > Navi Mumbai
• Multiple trips to Goa, Hyderabad, Bangalore, Mahabaleshwar, Pondicherry and more

Hopefully I’ll write about these trips someday soon.

Living with a(n) Outlander

• Highly reliable and comfortable tourer with a full load of 5 folks and their (unrestricted) luggage.
• Per MID, it drinks fuel in the city at 5-6 kmpl. Highway mileage is not too bad at ~8-10 kmpl. One can extract up to 12 kmpl too.
• With rear seats folded down, it’s an Anaconda that swallows everything thrown at it. I could even fit a 55” TV during covid when I had no other choice
• No niggles - mostly needs just annual service at FNG.
• Parts are expensive and take a few days to get them - so need to plan repairs. I have a friend with contacts to help here. Thai alternatives are more cost effective as compared to the Japanese OG parts.
• One major expense was when I got suspension parts, engine mounts and brake discs replaced.
• Wish it had rear AC vents.
• I’m not an experienced offroader, so take it or leave it. IMO, CVT fails AWD as it cannot provide low end grunt when stuck deep in sand/mud. I experienced this when I tried a bit of dune bashing at Jaisalmer. I had to stop before getting started. AWD is definitely helpful as a safety net when on inclines and gravels/ slippery surfaces, but it’s not going to satiate off-roading fantasies.
• Wish it had a low case! I drove a 2016 Outlander with low case in Australia - and it felt so much more capable off roader than my Outlander.
• I don’t feel confident to take it to highly remote parts like Ladakh or Sikkim, as it will not be serviceable there, if things go wrong.

Turns out, definitely not a white elephant, but a reliable workhorse! It continues to serve my purpose well and makes me continuously contemplate my next road trip. I hope to add many more tons!


Attempt to find a mean and rugged look


Munching miles. Facade filled with insect debris.


Got it wrapped (only speed lines) at 3M Kharadi Pune.


Catching sunrise somewhere in Jaisalmer.


Fits a full size bicycle!

[prateekswarup]

@Martiannomad - many thanks for updating this post with your Outlander details. Congrats on this being your 1st post on team-bhp. I am very happy to see that you're taking the maximum benefit of the Outlander. City mileage seems to be lower than I get in Gurgaon traffic - my tankful to tankful remains at 10 kmpl.

I can also testament the space available. At my sister's wedding last year, folded all the seats except the front 2, and this was a mini truck to haul all the gifts for the entire ceremony.

Update: 87703kms

Oil Change done in Nov'23 with CVT fluid change also. Took some time for the CVT fluid to circulate well. Now the shifts are much better and the lag effect that is typically seen on accelerating hard has been reduced by 50%. Much more responsive and power download to the wheels is faster.

I ended up being surprised by the responsiveness starting from the parking area.

In case the CVT has done more than 40k without an oil change, I would recommend getting one done. It definitely helps.

Rest, the Outtie continues to purr!

[shalinnairs]

Is it worth buying a used 2010 Mitsubishi Outlander 2.4 Automatic at price range of Rs.4-5 lacs. Pls suggest and advice. Wat is the average maintenance cost and are parts available.

Pls let me know.