Team-BHP - Driven : 2021 Tata Safari XZA+ 6 seater

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Originally Posted by comfortablynumb (Post 4990210)

Hi, will fitment of a MLD help a FWD vehicle navigate rain/slush conditions better, or is that applicable only for RWD vehicles?

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A mechanical locking differential uses mechanical force difference to send power to the wheel with traction. In theory a limited slip differential should do the same thing, but in reality it is found a bit wanting especially if one driving wheel is in the air.

See the video to understand: https://youtu.be/VLEFerXnJQI

Softroaders use ESP modes along with sensors to detect things like weight on wheels, bank angle etc and use abs braking to brake free spinning wheels and send powers to wheels with traction. Hence no need for MLD or LSD

I am also thinking about swapping my Hexa for this now. Naming it safari has brought so much aspirational value to this. I would not have even watched the reviews if it was named the Gravitas. My only doubt is about the ground clearance. I will wait till the pricing announcements and reviews to make up my mind.

How I wish there was some loyalty program from TML for the earlier Hexa/Safari owners. Now that Hexa is discontinued, its resale value is pretty much doomed and there will be many Hexa owners who will probably not touch a Tata again because of how they managed the Hexa brand. Even a namesake minor discount based loyalty program for Storme and Hexa owners will win TML some life long customers.

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Originally Posted by padmrajravi (Post 4990414)

Now that Hexa is discontinued, its resale value is pretty much doomed and there will be many Hexa owners who will probably not touch a Tata again because of how they managed the Hexa brand. Even a namesake minor discount based loyalty program for Storme and Hexa owners will win TML some life long customers.

When you are writing the cheque on a million+ rupee Tata, you should realise you are losing a lot of money if you want to change that SUV/MPV in 5 years.

Tatas specially the last gen (Storme/Hexa) have absurd resale value no matter they are currently on sale or not.

I have owned 7 Tata cars in my life, and every resale was tragicallyrl:

For an example, I bought a new Sumo Grande for 8.9 lakhs in 2009 and sold it for 3.5 lakhs in 2012 after just 93000 km.

Bought a new Safari Dicor LX for 10.5 lakhs in 2012 and sold it for 3.5 lakhs in 2018, after 1.4 lakh km.

Meanwhile, my 2007 swift diesel VDI was bought for 6 lakhs brand new, and I sold it for 4.5 lakhs in 2013 after 90000 km.

Tatas suck at resale.

But I must also admit that selling my Safari Dicor was a bad idea financially. I bought a new Storme V400 as a replacement for the Dicor.

Regarding the Tata's 2.2 DIcor/Varicor engine, I have 2.6 lakh km experience (over 3 SUVs) and I am pretty firm when I tell you that it is bloody reliable if driven and maintained properly.

I had no niggles (engine/transmission/electric related) in my Dicor nor in my Grande or in my current Storme v400.

Your Hexa is a beautiful, all-round car which provides comfort and space like a very few cars, even in a couple segments up. So, don't ever think about selling it soon. It will be reliable and will last really long.

If I had to sell my 3 year old 2018 Storme V400 which has just run 26k km, I would get a maximum of 9 lakhs as resale. And I bought it for 17 lakhs! Depreciation bites other car owners, but it eats the Tata owners. :)

Tiago/Nexon/Altroz definitely will have better resale though.

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Originally Posted by PrasannaDhana (Post 4990448)

PS: Current Storme owners, pls dont take offense that the resale i have quoted is too low. I have quoted the reality. I have sold safari in the past, and sadly truth hurts. Moreover a 2018 Safari buyer did not buy it with resale as a priority. It was bought with passion and usually passion towards anything with motors and wheels is pretty costly. :)

No offense taken!

A Safari like a Bullet is rarely if ever bought after crunching numbers.

Both are perceptionally and aspirationally forever vehicles which an enthusiast looks forward to owning and enjoying forever, fettling away at it and keeping them purring.

Beyond a point in time, it makes little sense to sell these legends. Where they are worth a lot more to the owner than what the market is willing to pay for them.

So for guys like me it's a happy place to be in.

One thing that concerns me about Tata Motors though is their long term vision and commitment to a product and a product line. And of course their customers who put their money on the line and paid for them.

The Aria. The Xenon. The Storme. The Hexa.

All were systematically killed off.

I don't know whether that will be a factor in the thinking calculus of prospective buyers of the new Safari, more than finance calculations and depreciation and resale workings.

Because it's surely impacting the market.

Cheers, Doc

Could anyone point me to the workings of the ESP modes in the Harrier /NEW Safari and other SUVs which offer this tech. Really interested to know how the electronics intervene .

OT: The resale of the Safari/ Storme saga is lesser said the better. Just to see the brighter side, Let's just say I've enjoyed exclusivity in many towns and even few cities because there are so few around compared to say the Mahindra offerings.

For eg. In the entire Andaman and Nicobar Islands, mine is the only private Safari Storme doing rounds. All spares have to come from mainland and that takes months at times as they'll have to come by ship. Coconut cracked my front windshield once and I had to drive two months with cellotape till they shipped the replacement from Chennai. Thankfully the A&N police use Storme White VX as the Parakram and so running spares are available .

Major OT : You would be surprised to know the high private car : population ratio in Port Blair, but that's a whole new thread.
There is no Toyota dealership here so Ford Endeavour rules the roost. You throw a stone and it will hit an Ecosport. I'll start a thread on the islands car scene sometime )

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Originally Posted by vigneshkumar31 (Post 4990493)

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For eg. In the entire Andaman and Nicobar Islands, mine is the only private Safari Storme doing rounds. All spares have to come from mainland and that takes months at times as they'll have to come by ship. Coconut cracked my front windshield once and I had to drive two months with cellotape till they shipped the replacement from Chennai. Thankfully the A&N police use Storme White VX as the Parakram and so running spares are available .

On the issue of spares and Tata Motors, moreso for the white elephants like the Storme (where local high quality manufacturers have never jumped in or to close to the same extent as for the much longer running Dicor), the situation is barely better on the mainland either. That too in the wet city where the vehicles are made!

Non running items like tailgate latch and power steering fluid pipe assembly, you would have to wait 2-3 days to a week before they manage the Herculean effort of getting the part from the spares Central depot 30 km away, to the workshop.

I compare that to.my KTM, also made literally next door, in Poona. Never ever have had to wait for a single spare. Running part or slow moving one-off.

Cheers, Doc

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Originally Posted by coolkurt (Post 4990827)

Saw the new Safari on the Gurgaon Faridabad expressway today.

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Oh they are on our roads finally. Can't wait for the review.
Imo the tyres(although 235/r17/r18) seems a size or two narrower for it to grace the Safari especially from the rear. Looks a bit non butch.:)
I am eagerly waiting to swap the rapid diesel for the 4x4 later this year for sure!! Blue body with Matt black grill and no chrome treatment and blackened alloys and tinker the 80/120 kmph warning lady. Can't wait!clap:
Cheers!

Rumour: Tata to launch Safari at introductory price of ₹14.99Lakh to ₹21.99Lakh.

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While prices for the new Safari are yet to be announced, the booking will begin from February 4. However, our sources have confirmed that the new Safari will go on sale at an introductory starting price of Rs. 14.99 lakh, whereas the top-end trim will cost Rs 21.99 lakh. This comes via a close contact of the designated marketing team of upcoming Tata Safari.

https://indianauto.com/news/new-tata...9-lakh-nid8853