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Old 7th April 2021, 14:24   #16
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CONGRATS ON THE MYSTIC BEAUTY, @84.monsoon! The car looks amazing, and your review is so very detailed. Wishing you many, many years of memories!

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  • The wiper controls do not have sufficient variability of controls to modulate the speed and frequency, as much as one would like. While driving in the rain, I found that the very first speed that the wipers engage in is already too fast, when there is only a slight drizzle. There are only three possible wiper speed positions and there are no sub-gradient positions for adjustment within a speed range, which means that fine-grain adjustment of the wiper speed and frequency based on level of and intensity of rain is just not possible. You have to choose between the three standard speeds provided. Although the wiper stalk does seem to have what looks like the usual rotary knob for the sub-speed selection, this is purely cosmetic and does not engage.
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Thought I'll pitch in here - I had posted about this in my ownership review. The 1st speed of the wiper is actually a programmable intermittent setting. To use it,
  1. Turn on the wiper to the first speed
  2. Turn it off after the first wipe
  3. Turn it back on with the delay you want (within 60 secs)
This will program the wiper to wipe at the delay you've set, until you switch it off (or change the delay by repeating this). From the manual -
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Old 7th April 2021, 17:51   #17
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Many congratulations on the new acquisition. The Mystic Copper looks dashing.

For your road trips how many bags were you able to put in the boot? Can it hold 2 medium sized suitcases?
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Congrats @84.monsoon! Wishing you happy and safe miles ahead!!

Hats off to your brilliant description and analysis. Your description seems like the last piece of the jigsaw puzzle titled "what can you expect while owning a Thar?" It was informative and interesting.

Members like @ph03n!x and yourself have made it quite clear for potential owners and for fence-sitters alike what to look for and what to look out for.

Since @ph03n!x also is active on this threat, my questions are directed to both of you since you guys now have a clear idea of owning the beast.

I have booked my Thar LX Petrol Manual Hardtop and just like the rest of the mortals I am waiting for the delivery. In the meanwhile I have just been reading the Thar threads on this forum or watching YouTube videos. Since I reside in Delhi, my drives would include daily commute within the city and trips to desert and hills. The dream is to drive to Ladakh. We are a family of two, so all the trips would be just the two of us driving around. If there are friends joining us on any trip, then I have already made it clear that they would have to get their own vehicle if they intend to still remain friends after the trip.

After reading the initial review posted on this forum by @Aditya, and the ownership review posted by @ph03n!x and you, I have a fair idea of what to expect. However, there are some questions that linger in my mind and no better people to ask than you guys. So here it is:

1. @84.monsoon, you posted that "Bumpy ride on anything but the smoothest of roads. If you are considering a long road trip over highways that are in poor condition, risk your vertebrae or choose another car!". So if I am to drive on state highways that are not so well maintained, would it be a problem for all the occupants, i.e. including the driver and front passenger? I am not even considering rear passengers since I am well aware of the fact that the Thar is not meant for rear comfort, but what about the front occupants, could you and @ph03n!x shed some light on this aspect?

2. While driving on the hills, did you engage the hill hold/descent control? And how did the other passengers feel while you were driving on the hills?

3. This question is for @84.monsoon and @ph03n!x - while driving on highway, did you'll feel more exhausted than driving any other category of vehicle due to the ride quality?

I am sure that I will have more questions and a lot more to figure out when I receive my Thar, but until then I am trying to gather all the information that I can by reading up on informative pieces such as these.
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Congrats @84.monsoon! Wishing you happy and safe miles ahead!!
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1. @84.monsoon, you posted that "Bumpy ride on anything but the smoothest of roads. If you are considering a long road trip over highways that are in poor condition, risk your vertebrae or choose another car!". So if I am to drive on state highways that are not so well maintained, would it be a problem for all the occupants, i.e. including the driver and front passenger? I am not even considering rear passengers since I am well aware of the fact that the Thar is not meant for rear comfort, but what about the front occupants, could you and @ph03n!x shed some light on this aspect?

2. While driving on the hills, did you engage the hill hold/descent control? And how did the other passengers feel while you were driving on the hills?

3. This question is for @84.monsoon and @ph03n!x - while driving on highway, did you'll feel more exhausted than driving any other category of vehicle due to the ride quality?
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Let me give you my view - I'm at 9,800KM on the clock now...

1 - the ride. Depends on what you compare it with, I'd say not too bad (Fortuner/ Endeavour), great (gen 1 Thar/ CJ/ MM/ Classic) or bad (against most other sub 15 lakh cars). That said, my family (wife and 2 young kids) didn't complain at all in city, highway speeds, winding ghat sections or up-hill climbs. I think it's a matter of accepting the ride, and getting used to it. Funny story - my cousin has motion sickness, and we've had to stop for her to relieve herself when travelling in an Innova, a XUV5OO, even a 3. But she was doing fine for about 70 KM on the highway in the back seat of my Thar. If I switch between the Thar n one of the sedans in the family, I do feel the difference. If I don't, I get used to its ride - no problemo

2 - I did that once, but felt the braking is too aggressive/ noisy. The autobox does a great job of holding to gears even if the RPM is shooting across, and engine braking with the right gear and tapping on brakes do the job for me. My family or friends, like I said above, didn't complain at all.

3 - Not at all. And I've done enough by now to say that this is at times a better highway ride - most jumping jacks n wanna be Road Runners and Wile E Coyotes stop dead on their tracks the moment the glance at your general direction. Of course, driver skill is a little more in demand in the jeep compared to a hatch or sedan (or derivatives), but nothing you can't master.
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I'd like to ask a question to both the owners active here.

How is the heat insulation from the Hard Top? Does the roof feel hot when you touch in while driving in the afternoon?

Does the heat feel radiating down from the Hard Top?

Thanks in advance.
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Let me give you my view - I'm at 9,800KM on the clock now...
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3 - Not at all. Of course, driver skill is a little more in demand in the jeep compared to a hatch or sedan (or derivatives), but nothing you can't master.
Thanks a lot @ph03n!x for you insight and answers, this definitely helps.

The ride comparison would be with the following cars:
(a) Maruti A-Star [was initially my daily commute vehicle, and later it was more like a secondary car for commuting within the city before I sold it recently],
(b) Honda City 4th generation [which is mostly chauffeur driven but at times I drive it around within the city], and
(c) Hyundai i20 Sport [which is what we have been using for our out-station trips, but mostly it is parked at my in-laws' place].

So the Thar would essentially be replacing all these vehicles for me and would be driven exclusively by me. And yes, all these fall in the category of sub-15 lakhs, so the comparison might be a bit unfavourable towards Thar, but the question would be - should we be comparing the Thar with other tarmac centric vehicles or see it independently for its capabilities?.

Before booking the Thar I test drove Seltos and Thar, while the former felt like any other car (honestly, I felt it behaved like a sub-15 lakh sedan with a design of an SUV) the Thar was like love at first sight. Although the test drive had to be wrapped up soon due to the waiting line for test drive, the connect was instant, it was like the scene from Avatar where the protagonist connects with banshee. The last time I felt such a connect was with my Bullet.

After a lot of deliberation, we took the leap of faith and booked our Thar. Anyway, the waiting period was long enough so in case we changed our minds, we could do it any time.

Later somewhere in December when the test drive craze had reduced and the test cars were just parked in front of the showroom I test drove it for a longer period of time but within the city. It was then I could get a better feel of the ride quality on tarmac and in traffic. The love for Thar just increased with every minute that I was driving, but again was it heart over mind and sensory failure while in love?

Now, your answers have cleared most of the doubts that I have been having (during the waiting period) and I am more confident about the decision. And your family's experience in the Thar, especially your cousin's, does inspire confidence.

Thank you @ph03n!x, once again! Truly appreciate your inputs

If I was still in Bangalore, probably I would have made a trip to Allepey sometime and would pass through Coimbatore and catch up with you.
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I'd like to ask a question to both the owners active here.

How is the heat insulation from the Hard Top? Does the roof feel hot when you touch in while driving in the afternoon?

Does the heat feel radiating down from the Hard Top?

Thanks in advance.
Navpreet- I can chime in here. My Thar is black. Unfortunately I have to park it in sunshine. When I do take it out at, say for example 2 pm, the cabin definitely is hot. That said, what I do know is that the Thar A/C cooks the cabin quite fast. In fact, I feel it cools faster than my other car, the Crysta.

I havenít had the chance to do highway runs in the heat. Maybe, that experience will help get a much clearer answer to your question.

Meanwhile, Iím equally curious to hear from the Thar owners.
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Navpreet- I can chime in here. My Thar is black. Unfortunately I have to park it in sunshine. When I do take it out at, say for example 2 pm, the cabin definitely is hot. That said, what I do know is that the Thar A/C cooks the cabin quite fast. In fact, I feel it cools faster than my other car, the Crysta.

I havenít had the chance to do highway runs in the heat. Maybe, that experience will help get a much clearer answer to your question.

Meanwhile, Iím equally curious to hear from the Thar owners.
Thanks!! Well my question particularly arose because I test drove another vehicle with a Hard Top. A Rubicon.
I took a long long TD. So a while into my TD I started feeling sweat on my forehead whereas my hands were being chilled from the AC. I found my head hot! And then realized that the heat is coming from the HT which was Hot!!
Normally in our cars we have headliners which keep things insulated. Now here was a proper warm HT which was radiating heat onto my head.
Now this is the Sun in Dehradun yesterday. It's not even that hot now a days. I shudder thinking what will happen in May in Delhi!!

That's why I wanted to know what is the condition of the Thar HT. Mine has now reached my dealer friend and is ready for me to pick. Just doing some final queries before jumping into it.
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Great review. I just read it in a flow and took quite a long time. Well written and explained in detail. You have put in a lot of effort to create this absolutely wonderful thread. Congrats and wishing you happy and safe miles on the Thar.

I just noticed that the meter console does not look aligned to the outer cover. Doesn't look like photo angle too. I checked other Thar images and couldn't see this irregularity. Maybe its just me. I have marked the areas in the attached pics. Do check on it

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Overall, a well written review from your side!

The Thar is the vehicle which stole my heart since its launch and in fact, I've TD'ed the Thar for couple of times, albeit MT version as AT TD vehicle was not available when I went to the dealer.

And, even my dad loves the Thar as it looks menacing and he wants to get one so that he can drive the vehicle whenever he goes to our village.

Maybe in near future, we might purchase the Thar as a second car replacing our Honda City Diesel, which has run more than 1L Kms.

And, BTW, is Thar suitable for ladies for doing daily commutes in the city traffic?
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Thanks!! Well my question particularly arose because I test drove another vehicle with a Hard Top. A Rubicon.
I took a long long TD. So a while into my TD I started feeling sweat on my forehead whereas my hands were being chilled from the AC. I found my head hot! And then realized that the heat is coming from the HT which was Hot!!
Normally in our cars we have headliners which keep things insulated. Now here was a proper warm HT which was radiating heat onto my head.
Now this is the Sun in Dehradun yesterday. It's not even that hot now a days. I shudder thinking what will happen in May in Delhi!!
I had the same apprehension, and I did try looking for some sort of workaround or even a solution. I found these two videos on YouTube, one of them is for Rubicon and the other for Thar:


This one is of the Rubicon interior upgrade. The relevant part is at 2:45.


This one is of the Thar.

I am hoping that this can help at least a bit during the Delhi scorching summer.
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