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Old 19th July 2021, 17:41   #46
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Frankly speaking this is an eye opener for many of us. The highway mileage is similar to the diesel avatar. I never expected the efficiency to be above 10-12 kms per liter. Do you know whether the petrol AT variant also churns out such terrific numbers
Unfortunately, I don't have much visibility on the AT variant. During my test drives in the city, I did find the auto returning around 1-2kmpl lower than the manual variants on similar routes. However on highway, it should return similar mileage due to an additional over-drive gear

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4-20 kmpl is an absurdly wide range, but it's the 20 that's really impressive.
The range is actually 10-20kmpl. I haven't gotten below 10kmpl pretty much.

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Thanks for the update. 20+ kmpl is unbelievable mileage!!! Can you please confirm the distance travelled during this highway run?
This was on the Karnal-Sonipat stretch. A distance of around 70kms covered with steady state driving in the left lane

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Have a few queries on the two points above:
1. Can you explain what roughly peak traffic is in the conditions mentioned? For e.g. An average speed of 10 kmph or a different speed slab?

2. How easy is it to maintain Garnet Red colour in terms of dings/ scratches? Is it more tending towards black or does it tend towards easy to maintain colours?

3. What is meant by "draining fluid"? Are you referring to the hard water somehow flowing off the body after a wash or something else?
1. Peak traffic is typical office rush with average speed of around 20-30kmph

2. Definitely more difficult to maintain than lighter colors. More towards black but the shine and sparkles are worth it

3. I was referring to the hard water bubbles left un-wiped on the body with the water evaporating in the heat and the salt or residue getting left behind on the body
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Old 20th July 2021, 06:29   #47
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Congratulations on your Innova @sid_deb. Unlike the diesel, I love the refinement of the petrol - I'm guessing this 2.7 is just as good, if not better than its little brother - the 2.0. (That's my benchmark for refined UVs. ) Both engines are from the legendary TR family and will last you many kilometers with minimal maintenance.


I have a soft spot for the petrol version and still wonder how life would have been if my dad bought the petrol instead of the diesel back in 2007. (He was seriously considering it when upgrading from the Qualis)
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Trip 5: Highway mileage - Steady state driving at 80kmph
The car if driven at a constant speed of 80kmph without any braking, delivers 20+ kmpl Never expected a 2.7L 1.8T petrol beast to return this. Mileage has gone up considerably. The engine has completely settled in now and is way smoother post the highway driving.

Trip 6 or Now: Highway mileage - Driving around 90-100kmph
The car if driven at 90-100 kmph, easily returns around 15-15.5kmpl.
Curious question about trip 5 - was it a (gentle) downhill on your route?

I've seen a big jump (similar in % terms) in FE when I was driving from Albuquerque, NM to Amarillo, TX. The gradual elevation change was from about 6,300 ft to 3,600 ft. I was doing 75-80 mph (~120-130 km/h) throughout though.
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We have a 2017 Innova Crysta Petrol - AT. I donít think the average has ever crossed the 6-10 kmpl mark for us, be it normal city or highway driving. The driving style is also quite normal and not aggressive since itís completely chauffeur driven, with my parents in the car most of the times.

I put up the issue with Toyota on every service in the first couple of years, but got no solid solution from their end. We eventually gave up and accepted the fuel efficiency to be very low.
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We have a 2017 Innova Crysta Petrol - AT. I donít think the average has ever crossed the 6-10 kmpl mark for us, be it normal city or highway driving. The driving style is also quite normal and not aggressive since itís completely chauffeur driven, with my parents in the car most of the times.

I put up the issue with Toyota on every service in the first couple of years, but got no solid solution from their end. We eventually gave up and accepted the fuel efficiency to be very low.
Being AT, FE is bound to be lower than MT. In MT you can coast and have better control at the cost of convenience. FE you are getting is decent for a 2.7 motor with old school torque converter. Even in Diesel, the manual can deliver fantastic mileage if you drive with an intent and road is good, devoid of traffic, ups, potholes etc. When driven aggressively efficiency of MT drops significantly thanks to lack of 6th cog.
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Curious question about trip 5 - was it a (gentle) downhill on your route?

I've seen a big jump (similar in % erms) in FE when I was driving from Albuquerque, NM to Amarillo, TX. The gradual elevation change was from about 6,300 ft to 3,600 ft. I was doing 75-80 mph (~120-130 km/h) throughout though.
Many thanks Landcruiser123.

Interesting thought. The elevation difference in my case was 52ft . Was driving from Karnal to Sonipat in Haryana. There was minimal traffic and no need to down-shift or brake during this stretch. Then hit the farmers protest spots and the mileage tanked.

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We have a 2017 Innova Crysta Petrol - AT. I donít think the average has ever crossed the 6-10 kmpl mark for us, be it normal city or highway driving. The driving style is also quite normal and not aggressive since itís completely chauffeur driven, with my parents in the car most of the times.
10kmpl on the highway is quite low. Didn't expect so much difference between the manual and auto. It's an old school torque converter though, so convenience would come at a cost.

The throttle is very sensitive and gulps fuel particularly during initial acceleration in the lower gears. Suggest you try picking speeds very gradually and use the instantaneous mileage display to adjust the pressure on the pedal.
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My Altis diesel gives around 12-14kmpl in the city, and 18 if driven at 100-120 on the highway with frequent braking and overtaking.

I'm really wondering what average it could give me if driven sedately at 80kmph. Possibly 25+.
Perhaps I can compare altis petrol mileage. I am also surprised sedan like FE from a heavier utility vehicle like Innova

I usually get around 12-13kmpl in Bangalore city traffic(but not the heavy crawl traffic)

On highways I have achieved 16+ kmpl couple of times on 400+ km drives and I usually maintain 90-100kmph

However it drops to 14 if I cross 120+ and gets thirsty after that. But yet to see single digit

I am surprised to see it is close to diesel 1.4 engine on altis and happy that Innova petrol can be a good choice if someone needs a weekend highway cruiser.
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There is no difference in the performance of the AC due to the climate control.
Congrats on your new Innova!.
I read in another thread that, the petrol variant has a weaker A/C compared to the diesel one. Is that true? Have you had a chance to check/compare this aspect with a diesel variant? Did you test drive a diesel variant also before purchase?

Climate control can increase fuel economy, provided the compressor is a variable type, which will dial itself back once cabin temperature stabilizes, putting lesser load on the engine.

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Rear Camera added as an Original Toyota Accessory.

Toyota has silently removed the de-fogger on the GX variant though. Now only the rear wash and wipe is standard.
Rear camera is an essential accessory these days especially with larger vehicles and higher window lines with thick pillars. The defogger is very useful here down south, where its rainy season for 6 months from June to December.

How good are the halogen reflector headlamps (especially in foggy/rainy conditions)? Is there an option to upgrade/retrofit the projector headlamp from higher variants as an OE accessory?
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Guess i'll be the odd one to add mine here, please delete if this is irrelevant.
My 2017 bought Thar gives me 9ish kms in crawling city traffic, around 11.5 to 12 at 100 kmph on highways and surprisingly 14.3 when held at 85kmph steady.
A vehicle which has no aerodynamics and NVH in his dictionary, 14 was a surprising figure for me. How ever the down side is i tend to fall asleep holding at that speed all along.
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Hey. Iíve been using the same for 2 years now covering 9k kms. My experience has been around 6-7kmpl. Iíve had one highway trip to Dehradun before COVID lockdowns and did not see double digit mileage. My friend whoís a sedate driver manages a delta of 1 kmpl. Maybe other forum owners can add but thatís been my experience. I love the car and knew the low mileage which works for me since my drive is not much. Reason to pick petrol over diesel was also longer life in NCR and smoothness. Anyone asking me for inputs, Iíd say itís a beautiful, spacious, comfortable, powerful car and if mileage doesnít hurt you, buy it. But donít expect high mileage. Whatís the fun in having a 2.7 liter beast and not pushing it 😝
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Wow. This is an amazing fuel efficiency from a petrol engine Innova and is a true myth buster. Our extended family is in the lookout out a comfortable MPV. Budget- 20-25lakhs. After seeing your post, will definitely recommend the petrol powered Innova.
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Congrats on your new Innova!.
I read in another thread that, the petrol variant has a weaker A/C compared to the diesel one. Is that true? Have you had a chance to check/compare this aspect with a diesel variant? Did you test drive a diesel variant also before purchase?

How good are the halogen reflector headlamps (especially in foggy/rainy conditions)? Is there an option to upgrade/retrofit the projector headlamp from higher variants as an OE accessory?
The AC on the petrol is a chiller. It cools the cabin well even when the outside temperature goes above 45 degrees. Don't know if the diesel one is any better. I didn't drive the diesel before buying given the 10 year rule in NCR. Scrapping a Toyota at the 10th year sounds so bizarre.

The halogen headlamps are a bit in-adequate. Hence upgraded to Blaupunkt LED bulbs for the high beam. Very satisfied now with the output even though it's a reflector setup

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Hey. Iíve been using the same for 2 years now covering 9k kms. My experience has been around 6-7kmpl. Whatís the fun in having a 2.7 liter beast and not pushing it 😝
Wow! Is your a manual or automatic?

I agree that the 2.7L engine has a lot of pep which comes at the cost of mileage. However I don't feel comfortable pushing this a lot also given the braking. The 1.8T beast does take its own sweet time to come down to a halt and hence not very inspiring for pedal to the metal style.
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Nice thread Sid and thanks for capturing all the intricate detail. Just one quick question. Where is the rear view camera placed and how is the quality of the camera?
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Nice thread Sid and thanks for capturing all the intricate detail. Just one quick question. Where is the rear view camera placed and how is the quality of the camera?
The rear camera is placed above the number plate similar to the factory fitment. The quality is decent, works well even during rains and at night. I find the pricing to be on the higher side though.
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